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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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bespoke radio

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today's tuesday december 28 2021

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361 days into the new year

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total

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but it is beautiful yes it is indeedy

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states hither and

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tether to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for the game

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changer network and the x networks i am

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your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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our new year's week on fade to black

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tonight we have very special guest peter

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robbins is with us

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tomorrow night

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guest of the year

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richard dolan

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and then thursday night is our last show

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of the year and it's also a fader night

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couldn't be more perfect

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i'm just gonna get straight to it follow

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me on twitter at j church radio

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follow me on twitter at j

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church radio that's what you want to do

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follow me right there

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and uh hashtag f2b is the sam box you

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can come and hang out with all the other

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democratic leader has died at the age of

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community as one of the people behind

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uh senator reid okay and also

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five days in a row and uh three of those

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gnarly rain okay

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more breaking news amazon

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said the said the alexa on her echo

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do attained a dangerous task when the

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girl asked the smart speaker

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live doll included alexa's response when

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the so-called penny challenge made the

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the mummy of ancient egyptian pharaoh

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let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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denzel washington today is 67 years old

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saying you know why would denzel be on

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your list jimmy i'm going to tell you

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first off training day

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don francisco is 81.

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sabado gigante

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don francisco edgar winner today is 75

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yeah our dead guy's birthday today

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alex was the lead singer

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he was just 16 years old when he first

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it became a number one international

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chips moment and dan penn

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at american sound studio and muscle

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in 1998 his song in the street was

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chosen as the theme song for

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and that version of the song was sung by

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and then a new version was later

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recorded by cheap trick and that was

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used for the rest of the seasons

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alex was taken to the hospital in new

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complaining

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he died the same day of a heart attack

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alex chilton incredible what a great

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song the letter

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on this day in history otd

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the world's first commercial movie

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screening takes place at the grand cafe

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and the film was made by louis and

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yeah on this day in 1895

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for a movie projector edison had his

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they had a photography film processing

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company in paris but they figured out

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how to get the film into a projector

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and there you go they said man his is

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cool but we're about to dust it and

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that's what they did right there in leon

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all right i want you to write this down

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pope

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pope gregory the 18th

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of the palmerian catholic church

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he left the faith

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stole a bmw

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and then they attempted an armed robbery

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of his former cathedral

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beat up a bunch of bishops with a

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ball-peen hammer

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and he's now

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in prison

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along with his ex-nun wife

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look it up it all just happened man this

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was like 2019

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pope gregory the 18th

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all right i didn't even know that pope's

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in the palmerian church but they do

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they do

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tonight continuing our new year's week

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here on fade to black we have very

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special guest peter robbins with us

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tomorrow night our last guest of 2021

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will be here

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and that may be

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richard dolan

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thursday is our last show of the year

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and it's uh on a fader night

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and uh that's gonna be great taking

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calls with with all of you but right now

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i need to

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hit this river moon coffee

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rivermoonwellness.com promo code f2b

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blend

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get you 15 off of your order today

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i like my coffee doc

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today

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i mean i i was going to uh

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to hold off on things

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i

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but um

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five years ago maybe six

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um i i

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spoke about our heroes

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and uh

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and and i did it for a few different

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reasons and

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and and then right after that i mean we

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lost david bowie

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and uh

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man i mean it was like glenn frye

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just crazy stuff uh you know tom petty

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and

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eddie van halen uh uh leaving uh this

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earth for another place

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and

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uh yeah okay so john madden uh passed

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away today harry reid passed away but

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you know 82 and 85 years old okay all

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right all right

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but um hidden away

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over this last uh three or four days

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there are some other obituaries there

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i'm not going to go through the names

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but but what

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what i would say is

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at a young age 57

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you know 59 58

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i'm 58

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and i start to look at this and i feel a

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little bit strange

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and there's a reason for this

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and we were uh uh chatting last night

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with adam apollo

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and and talking about social media

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and

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literally taken over our lives

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and

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uh

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thankfully

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i monitor i guess a little bit of social

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media

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uh i don't spend

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hours of each day i'm not glued to my

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phone i'm not i'm you don't see me

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making a ton of posts because i don't i

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just don't do it

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and

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um

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and then i have other uh company posts

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are handled by somebody else i don't

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even do that

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so

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uh

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i i don't

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i don't let social media affect me but

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that's not my point we were talking

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about this last night uh about how

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social media has just taken over the

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world and there's no question about uh

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the power and the influence of

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of youtube and

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uh

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instagram and anything else out there

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that that people are using but

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but the big ones

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yeah certainly uh

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facebook is what comes to mind because

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of the

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the way it's set up and the attention

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that's put on it and how many people on

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this planet are focused on

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but why is that important when i'm

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talking about harry reid and john madden

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and those that have died and

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and of course uh you know david bowie

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i spoke about this

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five or six years ago and i can't

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remember at the time

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what had provoked this but a few things

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popped up

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and i do

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uh my famous birthday list every day

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right like today denzel you know on that

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list and i always do a dead guy's

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birthday

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when i

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uh spoke about what i'm about to talk

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about now

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it was because

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i'm looking at the ages

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of

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you know heroes you know uh people that

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i've looked up to

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and and followed and i'm looking at

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their ages

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thinking how is this possible how did we

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get here and why why do i even care why

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is it affecting me

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you know

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ozzy osbourne or paul stanley or

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you know rob halford 72 years old

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and you know of course mick jagger and

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jimmy page and robert plant and

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and

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what am i going to do how am i going to

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react and why is it that i'm so

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emotionally wrapped up in this

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it it it's it's different

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today

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and when we were growing up and i you

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know i'm 58 all right so when we were

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growing up

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15 16 17 years old

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uh

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10 years old right and

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and

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you're you're young so there were

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magazines like teen beat and tiger beat

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or whatever

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uh but you

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printed monthly you had to go to the

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store and buy it or you had to have a

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subscription

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it wasn't anything instantaneous there

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was no mtv there wasn't even cable

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television

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and stuff didn't exist

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so

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uh

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and and for me and this is what makes it

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even stranger for me

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i was uh a hard rock heavy metal guy and

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i was into

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the stuff that

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wasn't in print

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you had to search for it so if i went to

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go get a hit parader magazine or a cream

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magazine there was no black sabbath in

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there

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little blurb about something but no

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no there you know and so to find out

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anything

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about the bands i was into deep purple

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you know uh there was no santana in

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inhibitor

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ted nugent these things that i was into

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and

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uh

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so the pursuit of that

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uh

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was tough

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and so the emotional

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side of it yeah you know you had the

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records or you know and you had the

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thing

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but

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crazy in-depth knowledge

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of people's lives

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it didn't exist

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and not until

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uh mtv in 1982 1981 82 whenever uh mtv

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went on the air

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um which was live and it was uh

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uh the rock and roll update news they

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had the the the music news mtv music

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news and and now all of the sudden

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our

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you know video killed the radio star

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and and everything was in your face

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and as this started now we had this like

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direct connection

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and you could see

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uh an interview with ozzy or

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uh you know the us festival and

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backstage

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live van halen quiet riot whatever

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judas priest

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and

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there's another one right judas priest

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and so

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wasn't

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where we are today

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and having that immediate thing that

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went on through the 80s which was mtv

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things were now

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live in your homes and

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and videos were being released and it

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was that this didn't exist before

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and you start to

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develop because i went through this and

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00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,480
we all have now gone through this

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you develop this emotional connection

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right now

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i don't know eddie van halen

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oh i met him years later but when i'm a

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kid

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right or rob halford or tony aiomi or

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these things that that all happened

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later but when i was growing up

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it was different

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and now these generations

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um

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are

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and

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those that i

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struggled and pushed with to find out

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00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,960
all the information about them and and

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get involved and and be a fan and all of

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that

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00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,559
it puts me in a weird position as it

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00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:18,159
does with anybody

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00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,159
that when these people leave this planet

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we're going to be deeply affected

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and it wasn't like this for people in

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1920s 1930s

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00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,919
1700s what did you know about somebody

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you didn't know anything

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00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:37,840
today we know absolutely everything

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it's every kind of reality show you can

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00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,919
imagine in in social media

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00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,320
and these celebrities and these

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00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:48,559
musicians and these things

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00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:52,720
posting and and and instagramming and

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00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,470
we don't know them but we think that we

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00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,390
it's a weird thing

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00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,039
it's it's it's so

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00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,640
strange

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00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:11,919
to me

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and and i know uh the reactions

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00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,640
of uh personally from members of my

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00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,440
family specifically my daughter nicole

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00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:24,480
uh when david bowie passed

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00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,360
um

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00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,360
she watched

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00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,200
labyrinth

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00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:32,480
since she was born

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and she would i mean as soon as she was

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old enough to operate a vcr i'm talking

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about two years old i put her in her

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bedroom

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00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:44,000
she had a vcr and tv in there and and

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00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,840
she had copies videotapes of titanic

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00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,559
she had the original dune

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00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:52,080
she had uh

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00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:53,039
uh

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00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,679
and

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00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,200
labyrinth

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00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,039
and so she'd be in there and i would

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00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,600
hear her turn her tv on all right and i

578
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,960
would hear

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00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,720
labyrinth

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00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:11,760
and

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00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,919
she's got the internet she's got

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00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:19,039
everything she

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00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,799
she's in a different dna mindset

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00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,600
than the way that we grew up

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00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:26,880
so

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00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:30,799
when david bowie passed she was wrecked

587
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,919
as was so many millions and millions of

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people on this planet took it

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emotionally so hard

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and and i

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00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,840
went through this week and i didn't want

592
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to bring up these

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00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:46,000
different people that left us this week

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because

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i don't want it to affect people

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00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,080
i don't want it to affect me

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00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,480
and this is one of the reasons why i'm

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doing my best

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to just stay off of social media

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00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,120
you know it's one thing so let's stay

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00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,200
connected uh this is who's on the show

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00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,520
this week uh you know

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00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,919
but but everything else

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00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,799
i just try to steer clear

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00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:11,840
it's

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and

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00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,559
i was going to speak about all of this

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on fader night

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00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,159
and uh

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00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,640
and then harry reid

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left this planet

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and before a tip

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00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,679
before atip really honestly senate

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00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,240
majority leader okay i didn't know who

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00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,279
he was

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00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:37,440
kind of knew the name

617
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,880
right but because of atip

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00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,480
in this community

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and all of the coverage and the

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interviews and the things and and and

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the media and the focus on harry reid

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00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,880
our community got to know him

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and

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i think we will always remember harry

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we're not going to think about him as

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being sent a majority leader that was

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then we don't even know anything about

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that

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we will remember him because of his

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pursuit of the ufo question

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and that is because of

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social media

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00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,039
otherwise

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00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,279
harry reid's uh a

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senator that did 30 years of political

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00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,240
life and and and

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00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,760
he left this earth today at the age of

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82 good for him long life served his

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country great great fantastic

640
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,240
but that's it but now there's this

641
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this emotional connection

642
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because of social media

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and this community being exposed to that

644
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,760
and and what he did for us in the

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community about ufos

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and that's why i'm speaking about this

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tonight i was gonna do it on thursday

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but uh wow

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wow

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there you go this is fade to block i am

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your host jimmy church social media man

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it's messing with our heads

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was a way uh

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that we could uh

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manage social media

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you get

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that's it

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i'll be right back this is fade to block

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on the game changer radio network

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am your host jimmy church

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continuing our new year's week here on

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fade to black tonight very special guest

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peter robbins is with us tomorrow night

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our last guest of 2021

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richard bleep and dolan thursday night

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00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,680
is our last show of the year though

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and it's also a fader night open lines

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all night long it's going to be a great

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night and i'll see everybody on thursday

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i'll see everybody tomorrow night i'll

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see you now

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tonight we're going to talk with peter

768
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,680
about a lot of things we've got the

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00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,000
breaking news about senator harry reid

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00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,480
we will get to all of that

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00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,320
and uh you know peter's a member of the

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media on all fronts and

773
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,839
i want to talk about uaps and ufos this

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00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:07,599
year in the media and what we can expect

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00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,800
in 2022. he's an investigative writer

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00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,880
he's an author he's a lecturer he's also

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00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:15,520
a show host his writing and research are

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00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:18,320
focused on the subject of truly

779
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,740
non-anonymous

780
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,400
[Laughter]

781
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,680
anomalous

782
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,320
ufos and their implications for humanity

783
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,240
has appeared as a guest and has been a

784
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,800
consultant to numerous radio shows

785
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,359
television programs and documentaries tv

786
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,000
appearances include ancient aliens the

787
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history channels britain's roswell

788
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,720
unsolved mysteries good day new york

789
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,200
the o'reilly factor we need to take that

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00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,839
off uh peter that's we're gonna pull

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that out we're gonna pull that out of

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the bio

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the real roswell

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uh nat geo and the sci-fi channel

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documentary ufo invasion at randall shim

796
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,280
i would like to welcome back to one of

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00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,960
the only peter robbins peter good

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00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,119
evening man how you doing

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good good to see you boys jimmy the

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00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:05,680
o'reilly factor

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00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,839
is he still

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00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,480
around

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00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,560
he's still uh no he isn't and that was

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00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,040
in 2002

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00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,760
2002 here i'll take it out i'm just

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00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,680
going to just go like this

807
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,160
i'm going to go like this and backspace

808
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,640
and i'll send you a copy of the edited

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00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,599
version

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00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:25,520
uh for later use

811
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:29,440
and uh okay uh all giggles aside

812
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,320
uh harry reid passed away today

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and uh

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now

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00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,200
uh i would like to talk about uh senator

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00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:40,240
reid here uh for just a bit if we may

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but

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one of the things uh that i commented on

819
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,839
i i don't know if you listened to it at

820
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,000
the beginning of the show which is

821
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,200
um if it wasn't for the internet

822
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,440
you know in social media

823
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,960
um

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00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:56,400
uh

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00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,839
would we have gotten as

826
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,000
our community has

827
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,800
gotten attached to harry reid and

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emotionally attached to him because of

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00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:08,240
atip

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and and his pursuit of the ufo question

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uh

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00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,839
it's weird

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00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,960
to me how we are now inside of

834
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:21,119
everybody's lives and it doesn't matter

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if you're a celebrity or if you're just

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you know a pool cleaner you know in the

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valley

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00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,720
you're on social media posting pictures

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of your family your dogs your food

840
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,400
what's going on every single you're

841
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:36,960
exposing your life to the world

842
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,320
right and and suddenly

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00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,800
the the shelter that we had of

844
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,800
pre-social media

845
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,680
is is now gone and we are emotionally

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00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,040
involved

847
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with people that we have never met

848
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,520
right it's true yeah isn't that a

849
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,040
strange feeling

850
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,440
well not only that but up until the

851
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,320
moment that social media really took off

852
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,880
and ran with all of our lives most of us

853
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,200
were more interested in

854
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,440
having our privacy observed to at least

855
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,200
a controllable degree

856
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,800
and now it's

857
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,119
i just want to be out there i want to be

858
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,040
well known i want to be

859
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famous like you are a famous person so

860
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,079
i've got my own thing going here you can

861
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listen to my podcast you can see my

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00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,320
pictures and somebody please send me

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some money because i want to be

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making money for being famous or at

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least having a presence out there in the

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world because i'm one more lonely person

867
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,400
stuck in my house in this crazy period

868
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,950
is it is it so much of it's almost like

869
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,960
sepia tone

870
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:46,720
the the memory

871
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:49,920
of pre-internet right it's like sepia

872
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,599
tone it's like an old tiny okay corral

873
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,040
photograph

874
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:58,160
and it was just 25 years ago and how

875
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,440
quickly

876
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:01,520
we went from

877
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,960
privacy was your goal

878
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,880
right yes don't don't get in my business

879
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,640
privacy is your goal

880
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,520
now

881
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,400
it's how many pictures can you post of

882
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,880
of of your pets your kids

883
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:16,960
your food uh

884
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,400
what's going on inside of your house

885
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,000
right and it's it's the exact opposite

886
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,400
you know jimmy i i'm i'm as you're

887
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,119
talking i'm thinking it's all

888
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,880
the ultimate emblem of it is your

889
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,839
handheld communication device which of

890
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:35,839
course you cannot live without but up

891
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,200
until you had one was the ultimate cool

892
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:42,079
science fiction luxury i remember doing

893
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,680
a book tour in 1997 in the uk

894
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,480
and going into a bar with a bunch of

895
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,599
colleagues and i had one that my

896
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,440
publisher had loaned me

897
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,760
and everybody put their phone on the

898
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,720
table

899
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,160
and it was

900
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,359
kind of a status-y thing and my feeling

901
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,560
originally was

902
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,359
who needs this this is absolutely the

903
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,720
biggest

904
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,520
silly luxury imaginable regular phones

905
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,760
are fine i can write letters

906
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:13,520
i can type email

907
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,040
but overnight it was

908
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,280
you couldn't live without it and that

909
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:22,000
cuts both ways i think it's both

910
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,000
ominous and wonderfully helpful um

911
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,560
you see people who are evolving the

912
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,880
speed of their thumbs and they're at the

913
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,040
same time their inability to look at

914
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,800
another person and have what we used to

915
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,880
call a conversation i don't know if you

916
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,880
remember them i don't but

917
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,200
yeah instead of one person talking and

918
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,640
the other person waiting to have a

919
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,839
chance to

920
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:45,520
talk back because they're not listening

921
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,560
they just want to say what they're going

922
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:47,520
to say

923
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,280
it's changing everything and at the same

924
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,839
time at a moment like this where

925
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,680
a well-known

926
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,000
well-respected figure on both sides of

927
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,079
the aisle to a good degree

928
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,720
passes so we all know uh senator reid

929
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,520
was fighting cancer for years uh who was

930
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,480
known as a tough no-nonsense guy

931
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:09,760
a

932
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,400
who uh

933
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,240
was known for being a prize fighter when

934
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,079
he was younger

935
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,240
and we have a moment to reflect

936
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,520
on his bringing us a bit further along

937
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,520
and how

938
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,400
he helped to change things in the arena

939
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,280
of serious ufo uap studies

940
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,680
and i for one will miss him he was a a

941
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,480
good man and uh an honest politician

942
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:38,880
which as we discussed earlier is almost

943
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,359
an oxymoron in our world sadly yeah yeah

944
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:45,040
and from nevada

945
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,319
which takes

946
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,680
yeah it takes it

947
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,760
i love nevada but we all know what i'm

948
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,599
talking about nevada is one of my

949
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:54,960
favorite states yes but uh

950
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,630
you go to nevada to do things that uh

951
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,839
to uh

952
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,480
uh to get your yayas out

953
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,480
that you that you can't do in your

954
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,520
hometown

955
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,680
and uh that's what we love about nevada

956
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:12,720
so

957
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,920
um but here's here's the thing

958
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:18,079
up until

959
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:19,280
uh

960
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,160
the

961
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,160
article in

962
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:24,839
uh the new york times up until december

963
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:28,079
17th yeah uh i didn't know who harry

964
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,359
reid was

965
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,280
right and uh and well

966
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,720
i knew the name i sent a majority but

967
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:37,599
i'm i'm not a big political guy

968
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,359
okay um and uh just because i know but

969
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,119
but but that's it

970
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,119
right now

971
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,280
i feel that i know him

972
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,440
because of the the last three or four

973
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,680
years and i've been able to get into his

974
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,560
life i've watched all of his interviews

975
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,680
you know george knapp or the james fox

976
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,200
phenomenon and

977
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:00,400
and you're

978
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,640
yeah and and and you you are able to

979
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,520
um

980
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,520
see and understand somebody at another

981
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,839
level that he was in politics for 30

982
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,119
years and i

983
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,520
i i couldn't tell you any legislation he

984
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,160
passed or you know or that goes with

985
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,200
anybody on capitol hill it's not just

986
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:20,640
senator reid

987
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,319
but now our community has lost somebody

988
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,000
uh that they have been emotionally

989
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,800
involved with and somebody that has

990
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,480
really moved

991
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,480
uh the bar forward

992
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,119
really moved the ball down the field

993
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,040
he has and

994
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,119
for those folks who kind of

995
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:40,480
became aware

996
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:41,359
of

997
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,119
him in 2017 with this now

998
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,520
seminally well published new york times

999
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,480
article

1000
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,119
by our friend ralph blumenthal and the

1001
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,319
great leslie kane and kathleen can never

1002
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,920
remember the third reporter that broke

1003
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,079
that story in the times

1004
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:00,640
going back ten years before that reid

1005
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,640
was joined by his colleagues uh the

1006
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,359
senators from alaska and hawaii ted

1007
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,400
stevens and daniel inouye

1008
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,880
trying to convince congress to invest 22

1009
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,640
million dollars a lot of money for most

1010
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,440
of us regular folks but a drop in the

1011
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:18,960
bucket for congress

1012
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,550
in what was a clandestine um

1013
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:22,640
[Music]

1014
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,319
operation uh for program called as you

1015
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,160
know advanced aerospace threat

1016
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,240
identification program

1017
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,880
and it was simply

1018
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:34,160
a plea

1019
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,160
for a standing committee a standing unit

1020
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:40,880
to learn more about

1021
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:44,400
these phenomena truly anomalous ufos

1022
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,119
the

1023
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,040
original committee is now mutated into

1024
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:49,119
the unidentified aerial phenomena task

1025
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,000
force

1026
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,160
but again that was 10 years before that

1027
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,440
article broke

1028
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,079
and it was all very hush-hush at the

1029
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,560
time although on a certain level

1030
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,200
extremely key what they were asking for

1031
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,880
was what

1032
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,720
certain people within the united nations

1033
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,760
establishment were asking for in 1978

1034
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,119
a committee

1035
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,359
to learn more about and study this

1036
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,760
phenomena which passed in committee and

1037
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,839
then was allowed to die and that was it

1038
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,400
for the un and ufos so the fact that

1039
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,000
this got traction

1040
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,560
and he never let go a guy was a bulldog

1041
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:24,960
on a certain level and the fact that he

1042
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,040
retired he did not leave his post on

1043
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,640
this subject

1044
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,800
and stuck with it until you know bad

1045
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,280
health disallowed him to be a public

1046
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,560
person not that long ago but

1047
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,720
he's it's nice to also have somebody in

1048
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,800
public life you can look up to

1049
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,599
and say this was again a decent man a

1050
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:47,280
decent politician

1051
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,640
who as a private pilot also had a

1052
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,640
fascination beyond

1053
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,240
the guy on the street

1054
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,240
with these anomalous phenomena that

1055
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,119
pilots if they reported them for decades

1056
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,280
could jeopardize their licenses and and

1057
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,920
lose their livelihoods by saying i saw

1058
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,319
this and i took it seriously

1059
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:07,520
the

1060
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,200
as a politician

1061
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,680
uh for something like you know the study

1062
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,760
of ufos and there's other things out

1063
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,400
there that that are just as

1064
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,200
uh challenging uh to go and do but to

1065
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:25,520
gather support to get this

1066
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,599
and and then fund it now uh

1067
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,280
i think all of us are still really

1068
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,200
unclear exactly

1069
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,400
um how everything went down uh where did

1070
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,480
the money actually go how it was spent

1071
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,200
who actually who how was how was all of

1072
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,839
that divvied up who and

1073
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,040
we'll never know

1074
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,920
uh black project money and

1075
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,599
and and that's it

1076
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,559
but uh to take those chances

1077
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,000
it makes me

1078
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,559
uh ask a couple of questions

1079
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:59,119
what was it um

1080
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,640
in in senator reid's life

1081
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,000
that

1082
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:06,640
caused him to open his eyes

1083
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,920
and and i don't think it's reports on tv

1084
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,160
you know i don't think it's ancient

1085
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,839
aliens i don't think you know i don't

1086
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,000
think it's sure it's any of those things

1087
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,319
there was another motivating factor

1088
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,800
there i wonder if he saw something that

1089
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,240
he never talked about publicly um

1090
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,559
but something rates his fascination so

1091
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:28,079
much so

1092
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:31,599
that he forced this to happen

1093
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,480
yes

1094
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,800
um this is where we get into the realm

1095
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,040
of what i would call um

1096
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,000
educated speculation uh it could have

1097
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,760
been any of the things that you said

1098
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,920
let's remember that at a certain point

1099
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,079
in his life he was not just

1100
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,000
you know the elected representative for

1101
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,000
one of the representatives for the state

1102
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,440
of nevada he was a player he was speaker

1103
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:55,599
of the house and as such

1104
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:59,680
he had a certain amount of gravitas and

1105
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:00,839
there are always

1106
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,800
people i'm one of them who want to

1107
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:06,640
get to people like that

1108
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,440
and impress upon the importance of

1109
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,440
their issue

1110
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:14,319
it would not surprise me if more than

1111
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,839
one person

1112
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:17,920
had brought to his attention

1113
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,240
with some viable evidence

1114
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,640
that this was a real phenomena or again

1115
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,440
as a private pilot in a state with a lot

1116
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,720
of sky

1117
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,880
he could have seen something or a

1118
00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:30,720
colleague of his a fellow pilot or a

1119
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:32,920
fellow friend in

1120
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,480
1967 the state of michigan had a huge

1121
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,520
series of ufo sightings at the time

1122
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,440
gerald ford was the leading

1123
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,720
representative

1124
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,200
and a number of these witnesses were not

1125
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,400
just

1126
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,200
regular michigan michiganers um they

1127
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,119
were friends of ford's people he grew up

1128
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,440
with some of them police officers other

1129
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,359
ones in responsible positions or just

1130
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,400
again

1131
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,559
regular folks that he knew

1132
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,280
and he became so interested in the issue

1133
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:03,680
that he pushed through

1134
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,480
um a resolution in congress to

1135
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:08,480
investigate the phenomena

1136
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,160
and they did for 48 hours

1137
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,880
and that was it and it died but he did

1138
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,520
it

1139
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,319
he had the courage to put his reputation

1140
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:20,480
on the line at a time

1141
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,440
when taking ufo seriously

1142
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:26,160
publicly for a public figure whether

1143
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,119
it's

1144
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,960
a scientist a politician um

1145
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,520
you know again somebody in public life

1146
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,280
could have cost

1147
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,520
again his career or at least an awful

1148
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,520
lot of ridicule and nobody likes to be

1149
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,839
made fun of so i don't know if you'll

1150
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,359
ever know the answer to that one jimmy

1151
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,240
but it's certainly possible that he he

1152
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:48,160
was an insider

1153
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,280
there are people that could have brought

1154
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,119
this to his attention in no uncertain

1155
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,960
terms and may well have

1156
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,119
well certainly a senate majority leader

1157
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,640
uh you've got a

1158
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,680
a pretty

1159
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,240
pretty lofty level of security

1160
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,640
clearances and exposed to

1161
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,040
uh not only uh

1162
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:07,359
national but international situations

1163
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,480
that are that are dealt with daily uh by

1164
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,680
washington

1165
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,720
and uh maybe he was exposed to something

1166
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:16,800
at that level too but then

1167
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,319
he's got area 51 in his state

1168
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,400
right so

1169
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,559
yeah there there there must have been

1170
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,160
something there another

1171
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,480
another do i want to say mitigating

1172
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:30,480
factor you know some kind of

1173
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:34,559
some kind of uh uh a progenator you know

1174
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,920
some original thing that you know lit a

1175
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,520
fire under him

1176
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,440
uh to take this to another level that

1177
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,240
most people would even dare touch

1178
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,400
um and here's here's the other thing i

1179
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,240
didn't want to mention though

1180
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,400
uh i you know 82

1181
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,680
yes

1182
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,000
he passed away today he passed away the

1183
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,640
day after biden signed

1184
00:52:03,670 --> 00:51:59,520
the ndaa

1185
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:03,680
right which is the funding for the uh

1186
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,040
for uh security and the intelligence

1187
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:09,440
budget for 2022 that had all of the

1188
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,559
provisions in it correct for the new uap

1189
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,000
version

1190
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,920
of the task force i forget what they've

1191
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,200
called it now

1192
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,160
is it astro it's it's it's it's gonna

1193
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,200
forget the uh some new moniker

1194
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:24,640
yeah but you know

1195
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:27,680
we at end of life issues um

1196
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:31,520
how far along he was in um

1197
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,200
not being conscious uh to be blunt um or

1198
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,480
whether he was

1199
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,040
you know aware and alert up until you

1200
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:41,920
know 12 hours or so before he started to

1201
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:44,880
really transition um

1202
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:47,920
if he knew about it if he heard about it

1203
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,440
maybe that was the point where

1204
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,480
he decided he could let go yeah yeah i'd

1205
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,319
like to think that yeah

1206
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,720
the other thing and i i think we need to

1207
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,599
acknowledge this about senator reid

1208
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,760
it has to do with character

1209
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,599
this has nothing to do with ufo

1210
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,079
phenomena it has to do with character

1211
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,640
this was not a guy who had things handed

1212
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,319
to him in fact

1213
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:14,319
if you take any time to learn about his

1214
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,599
early life it was dickensian his father

1215
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,280
was a minor

1216
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,760
he was an alcoholic he took his own life

1217
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,640
at 58 years old his mother took in wash

1218
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,160
he grew up in a home

1219
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,520
without plumbing or heating he had to go

1220
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:32,480
30 miles to henderson nevada to go to

1221
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,440
high school 30 miles each way every day

1222
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,760
he was a prize fighter as a young man

1223
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,160
and he kept it up into

1224
00:53:46,109 --> 00:53:42,559
the last years of his life he

1225
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,119
he was a tough son of a gun and he was a

1226
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,240
self-made man

1227
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,720
again you know who's ever self-made we

1228
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,319
all owe something

1229
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,559
to different individuals uh who were

1230
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,640
there for us at different times

1231
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,520
but

1232
00:54:03,850 --> 00:54:00,400
he didn't have things handed to him and

1233
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,860
when an issue like this ultimately

1234
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:05,040
[Music]

1235
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:08,720
fell into his lap or became a subject of

1236
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,109
he was not the kind of person that was

1237
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:16,880
going to back down

1238
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:19,760
because people might make fun of him

1239
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,880
so i i have a lot of respect for him

1240
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:25,760
again a long life

1241
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,800
one where he was a true public servant

1242
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,280
agree or disagree with his politics

1243
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,240
again a decent man in a hard scrabble

1244
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,000
business

1245
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,559
who in this case we really owe something

1246
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,280
serious too uh his efforts have helped

1247
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,359
us to get this far along

1248
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,680
in the public acknowledgement that we

1249
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:48,000
are not alone and we damn well better

1250
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:49,200
acknowledge it

1251
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,680
who do you think is uh uh i mean he he

1252
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,119
left uh

1253
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,640
uh the senate uh a while ago

1254
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:00,960
but uh who

1255
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,520
is there somebody is it gillibrand is

1256
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,119
there somebody

1257
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,119
that is ready to take

1258
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,680
the baton and continue running around

1259
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,760
the track

1260
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,599
there may well be uh you know the old

1261
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,680
expression politics politics makes

1262
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:18,000
strange bedfellows well so does ufo

1263
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:22,720
studies and one of the things for me

1264
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,599
yes i am a member of the media in that i

1265
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,880
host a

1266
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,720
weekly radio show which i'm very proud

1267
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,880
of but up until a year ago

1268
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,040
i was an outsider

1269
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,079
as much as anybody without a voice

1270
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,599
in a regular broadcast basis uh i came

1271
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,359
at it from many different angles over

1272
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,319
the decades and

1273
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,480
it's been so interesting the past few

1274
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,520
years to see how as the ridicule factor

1275
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,280
has dissipated

1276
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,920
it doesn't matter which side of the

1277
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,119
political

1278
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:56,720
agenda you are on

1279
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:00,480
um we have you know perfect example is

1280
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:05,359
uh the senator from uh florida um

1281
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,640
rubio blanking yeah marco rubio who is

1282
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:10,960
taking this very seriously in a very

1283
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,319
public way and then not that long ago my

1284
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:17,119
senator senator kirstjen gillibrand

1285
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,280
comes forward with this incredibly

1286
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:22,559
intelligent

1287
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,000
brilliantly worded highly informed

1288
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,040
like 140 page proposal

1289
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,720
and one

1290
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,359
cannot help but think

1291
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,319
that um she didn't do it all on her own

1292
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:39,040
um i have no idea of the back story here

1293
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:42,480
but she was aided in understanding the

1294
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,920
situation in wording this proposal

1295
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:47,119
brilliantly

1296
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,280
and they're both equally committed to

1297
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,880
seemingly getting to the bottom of the

1298
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,640
subject and their politics couldn't be

1299
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,640
more different i think that's a very

1300
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,200
healthy sign we also probably have a

1301
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,119
number of

1302
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,200
major political figures on both sides of

1303
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,160
the aisle just waiting to step forward

1304
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:07,839
to get some of this limelight and

1305
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,040
because they genuinely have a curia

1306
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,200
curiosity or concern about the same

1307
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,000
subject but either one of them

1308
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,359
could has a shot at emerging at a main

1309
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:22,400
or the main or the two main speakers on

1310
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:23,599
this subject

1311
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,400
to

1312
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,960
get our congress um

1313
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,359
in gear on this subject and you know

1314
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,680
torpedoes be damned yeah i don't do

1315
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:33,760
politics on the show but i definitely do

1316
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:38,559
the politics of ufos yeah and uh the uh

1317
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,920
these midterms are coming up too as well

1318
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,520
and

1319
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:46,000
do you think

1320
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,240
that this could be a campaign issue a

1321
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,599
bullet point

1322
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,680
i think it could and i think that the

1323
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:55,839
wild card here is

1324
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,559
what if anything is going to happen

1325
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,240
between now

1326
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,400
and campaign time

1327
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:04,319
to

1328
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,910
demographic of the american public

1329
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,520
or whether it's just going to continue

1330
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:17,280
to organically

1331
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,400
grow

1332
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:19,599
um

1333
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:20,799
i wouldn't

1334
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,000
i'm not very good at predicting um

1335
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,200
but i think that it could be it could be

1336
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:29,119
again

1337
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,920
to

1338
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,160
cite my very favorite quote by former

1339
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,799
president trump we'll see what happens

1340
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,119
let's uh let's take our break right here

1341
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:39,280
this is fade to black our guest tonight

1342
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,720
continuing our new year's week here on

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00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,960
peter robbins i'm your host jimmy church

1345
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:49,040
on the game changer and on x networks

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planet and you're listening to my good

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01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,640
friend jimmy church fade to black

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this is toby kebble you're listening to

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jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

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01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,000
don't hurt me jimmy i'm only little hey

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i'm adrian grenier and this is ari gold

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hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,440
we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church the

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01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,280
revolution

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01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,960
this is jimmy church of fade to black

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01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,960
and you can become an official fate or

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01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:27,280
not by just going to our membership

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01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:33,589
hello this is serena wright taylor from

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01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:35,920
conscious life expo and you're listening

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01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,240
to fade to black with jimmy church who

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01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:40,640
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,839
astrological chart since

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01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:46,079
true story

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01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,760
this is micah hanks of the grealian

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01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:49,359
report and you're listening to jimmy

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01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:52,910
church on fade to black

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01:03:55,580 --> 01:03:55,270
[Music]

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01:04:13,190 --> 01:03:55,590
[Applause]

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01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:14,789
welcome back

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01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:17,760
i am your host jimmy church

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01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,630
on the game changer and nx networks

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01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:26,559
racehobbs

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01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:29,039
i'm your host jimmy church and uh

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01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,839
now

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01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:32,799
uh peter

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01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,920
over the years you and i have had uh

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so

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many uh

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01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:40,640
of

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01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,920
about things and and you know ufo

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01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:46,160
related and et and stuff

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01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,960
um

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01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:48,720
you've uh

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01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:51,920
you've published books as an author um

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01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,400
you have been a researcher

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01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:56,160
you've been a speaker

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01:05:01,430 --> 01:05:00,000
you've been on many television shows

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01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,440
very

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experienced in the world of media now of

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01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,400
course to a talk show host

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01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:11,200
but looking back

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01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:12,799
through your career

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01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:14,319
where you are

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01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:17,680
constantly fighting for

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01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:20,240
recognition of the subject and trying to

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01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:23,200
constantly get a conversation started

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01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:26,240
and uh you know to get the word out on

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01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:27,520
on this stuff

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um

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01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:31,280
that that and it for decades and that

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01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,319
can't

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uh couldn't have been easy and then you

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01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:36,799
look at you know the last three years

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01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,680
and then you know of course 2021

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01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,160
are you surprised at the media coverage

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01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,559
now where it seems to be

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01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,720
fairly easy to get this out into the

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01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:48,240
public

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01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,520
i have to say i am um i'm generally an

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01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,119
optimist but

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01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,280
again over the years you just get so

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01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:58,000
used to pounding away with minimal

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impact

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and

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like most folks interested in the

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01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,440
subject

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01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:06,480
i read the article the game changer

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01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,240
article in the

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01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,079
sunday

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01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,799
edition of late december

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01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:14,559
2017

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01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:17,280
which was accompanied by another article

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01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,720
which was a brief interview with one or

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01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,799
two of the pilots involved in the

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01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,400
initial navy

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01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,240
tic tac sighting

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01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,039
i thought it was very noteworthy that

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01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:31,839
the article appeared even starting as a

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box a small box on the first page

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01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,799
it could still claim to be a page one

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article

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uh certainly it was well written i knew

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01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,599
two of the

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the reporters involved nothing but

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01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:46,480
respect for both of them and

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01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,520
i just kind of chalked it off in part

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01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,760
because years ago jimmy out of a

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01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,839
personal obsession

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01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:55,920
i decided to

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01:07:02,069 --> 01:06:58,799
read every single article the new york

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01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:02,079
times had ever published since 1947

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01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,920
on the subject of flying saucers

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01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:05,760
unidentified aerial phenomena

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01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:09,760
unidentified aerial disks ufos etc

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01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:13,119
i began to work in the analog late 80s

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at the new york times newspaper morgue

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01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,039
going to the microfiche editor with the

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01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,119
code numbers getting the micro feast

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01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:22,960
printing out the article

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continued it over the years in digital

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01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:25,839
times

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and i can't give you a hard stat on it

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01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,599
but i'd say of the

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01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,880
230 or so

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01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:34,799
articles editorials letters to the

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01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:38,799
editor photo captions etc that i read

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01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,200
about 97 of them were

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01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,160
condescending sarcastic

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01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:46,640
dismissive in character

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01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,599
so one more article in the times

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01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,079
even a good one which was rare

1539
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:54,319
did not make me think it was going to

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01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,680
change things

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01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:58,000
and i was one of those people in the

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01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,440
field who

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01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,359
it took me about a year

1544
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:04,400
to realize that it had signal to change

1545
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:06,319
i kept waiting for that other shoe to

1546
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,200
fall

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01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,680
but other major media fell in line

1548
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,359
behind the times

1549
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:13,280
and then again it didn't matter whether

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01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,640
it was fox or cnbc

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01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:19,040
conservative progressive it didn't

1552
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,920
matter

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01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:21,759
and there was a change in the air and

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01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,560
it's been very gratifying to see

1555
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,400
and it it

1556
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:28,880
it really hasn't let up

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01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:29,679
uh

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01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:35,359
there's been very few lulls

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01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:40,400
and uh it continued uh throughout 2021

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01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:43,839
and is that surprising that it doesn't

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01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:44,640
seem

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01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,600
like

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01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:48,719
whoever flipped the switch right from

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01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:51,679
yes to no and no to yes right whoever

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01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,960
flips

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01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:55,920
uh that switch has not flipped it back

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01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:57,199
down

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01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:00,400
right it's it's still okay yeah

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01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:03,759
i i don't think at this point at this

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01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,640
point being the last few years that

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01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,679
switch

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in the old-fashioned sense

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01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:12,480
is flippable anymore

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01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:15,839
the old stock conundrums that they used

1575
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:18,080
to trot out

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01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,000
going back to war jitters and mass

1577
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:23,920
hallucinations and swamp gas

1578
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,829
you know

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01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,960
every

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01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,799
a misinterpretation of a natural

1581
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:32,480
phenomena

1582
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,239
a weird weather pattern lights on clouds

1583
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:38,000
my favorite going back to the 40s was

1584
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,440
brownian movement on the eyeball yes sir

1585
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:43,040
um

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01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,719
people are not buying it anymore and

1587
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:47,359
this is a place where social media and

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01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:48,560
the internet

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01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,000
are serving

1590
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,040
the truth you have too many people

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01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,600
who are too interested and keeping up on

1592
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,239
the subject and you know even if they're

1593
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,239
going to sources that i wouldn't

1594
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:02,480
recommend them they're learning more

1595
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,520
about

1596
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:05,679
the history of the ufo phenomena the

1597
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,800
history of the cover-up so the best the

1598
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:11,280
forces

1599
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,480
that be

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01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,560
those folks whose names we often don't

1601
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,400
know who moved the chess pieces behind

1602
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,000
the scenes of history

1603
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:20,480
the best they can do is slow the process

1604
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,440
down

1605
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,199
upfuse it

1606
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:25,360
create

1607
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:26,719
dissonance

1608
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:29,920
putty put us on each other's cases

1609
01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:32,719
nothing like infighting to

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01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,590
for enjoyment of the masses

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01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:36,320
[Music]

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01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:37,199
again

1613
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:40,480
they can't stop it anymore

1614
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:41,330
i i think

1615
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,560
[Music]

1616
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,560
that that is a wonderfully healthy

1617
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:47,360
change and you know reid observed

1618
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,040
coming up to

1619
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,560
the summer uh this past summer um

1620
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:53,520
that

1621
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,560
congress

1622
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,480
should not make

1623
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:58,640
well the congress should make this an

1624
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,360
ongoing program and that the so-called

1625
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:03,840
report of june

1626
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,120
um was not going to have much to say and

1627
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:09,920
that we should not have one shot at this

1628
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:12,560
that it needed to be a process that was

1629
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:15,760
being initiated and the process now has

1630
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:18,400
been initiated again i think if the

1631
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,000
forces that be

1632
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,320
that would like to keep the lid on this

1633
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,080
and i think there's always been inviting

1634
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,000
to me in this area within the

1635
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:28,000
intelligence and military intelligence

1636
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,199
community

1637
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,360
if they had their way we would get

1638
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:33,199
several reports a year

1639
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,400
for decades each one carefully stage

1640
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,040
managed to seem

1641
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,040
to put forward gosh we've learned

1642
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,280
something else new here and isn't this

1643
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,080
intriguing when they know

1644
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,159
everything that's going on and have to a

1645
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,760
great degree for three quarters of a

1646
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,600
century so

1647
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,199
it's there's a certain amount of game

1648
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,960
playing that's going on right now and

1649
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,880
people who are fighting

1650
01:12:00,120 --> 01:11:58,960
to stop the play

1651
01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:00,130
and

1652
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:01,360
[Music]

1653
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:04,159
accelerate the process by with truth is

1654
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:05,520
disseminated

1655
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,199
one of the uh if we look back at 2021

1656
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,280
so much happened

1657
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:12,480
uh

1658
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,840
in 2021 when it comes to ufos and uaps

1659
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,920
that i think we need to be reminded

1660
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:21,520
because

1661
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:25,360
all of the other news that is constantly

1662
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:30,709
i'm not going to get into all of the

1663
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:32,239
details with this

1664
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,280
but

1665
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,120
news gets clouded

1666
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,159
and and so much information is coming at

1667
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,840
us every single day

1668
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:41,520
that it's it's hard to remember the

1669
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:43,760
breaking news from yesterday let alone

1670
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,640
last week and if we go back and and

1671
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,520
bring up june 25th uh you know with the

1672
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:52,320
uap task force report and how that was

1673
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,800
covered in the media that was only part

1674
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:56,480
of the story

1675
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:59,920
and that ua ptf report

1676
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,239
probably would have never happened if it

1677
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,040
wasn't for senator harry reid

1678
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:07,840
and and atep and let's be very clear on

1679
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,040
that yes but when we talk about atip

1680
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:13,199
prior to the report

1681
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:14,400
was uh

1682
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:17,360
the news that came out about luella's

1683
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:18,560
zondo

1684
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,440
uh

1685
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:21,600
bringing on danny sheehan

1686
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:25,120
to go uh straight at the department of

1687
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,320
defense

1688
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,719
because of uh

1689
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:30,080
some

1690
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,360
just don't know which side of the fence

1691
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:41,920
everything is falling on but danny sheen

1692
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,640
had to get involved and so he goes in uh

1693
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:47,120
with uh the odni

1694
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,560
and uh says

1695
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,360
wait a minute they've erased his emails

1696
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,199
uh they said that he didn't have

1697
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,360
anything to do with atib they said that

1698
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:57,679
you know and the department of defense

1699
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,679
and their spokespeople are going out and

1700
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:01,280
saying these things

1701
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,400
this would have never happened

1702
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:06,320
ever

1703
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,679
before with

1704
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:10,000
the ufo question in the past

1705
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,360
now this is news and then

1706
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,880
this is the other part now i want your

1707
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:16,400
comments on this

1708
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,520
um

1709
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:20,880
then you had uh one of the directors

1710
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:23,679
of uh the intelligence community over at

1711
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:24,719
dod

1712
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:27,840
issue a directorate about reports and

1713
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,640
that they need to be uh created within

1714
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:32,880
two weeks and distributed

1715
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,800
and one of the reasons for this

1716
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:38,880
was because od and i

1717
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,760
uh said wait a minute this agency knows

1718
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,520
something this agency knows something

1719
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,920
this agent but i know nothing

1720
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:48,080
what have you been doing on the uap

1721
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:49,120
issue

1722
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,000
um

1723
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,159
who's been talking about it what's going

1724
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:55,679
on because my office knows nothing

1725
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,159
suddenly what this community has been

1726
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,679
talking about for all these years

1727
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,600
compartmentalization

1728
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:03,600
not sharing information people sitting

1729
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:07,280
on things crash debris whatever it is

1730
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:08,080
um

1731
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:11,199
has been hidden from those in that

1732
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,719
should be in the know this was huge news

1733
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,239
this year that would have never been

1734
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:18,239
covered before peter

1735
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,239
no it wouldn't and

1736
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,640
if you had told me this might be the

1737
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,560
case

1738
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,120
four years ago even three years ago

1739
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:28,880
i would have smiled and nodded and

1740
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:31,920
looked for the nearest exit

1741
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:37,280
it just seemed so unlikely but as this

1742
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:40,320
establishment of secrecy and secret

1743
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,280
keeping

1744
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,920
which went into lockdown in the summer

1745
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,000
of 1947

1746
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:48,159
and has maintained itself almost with

1747
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,480
fortress-like integrity since then um

1748
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:54,480
once it started to crumble

1749
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,520
and

1750
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,360
again we can only make certain

1751
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:00,000
assumptions here about why and how and

1752
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:05,120
when um in the winter of 2017

1753
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:09,440
the cracks started to show massively and

1754
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:10,719
we have

1755
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:13,440
we in civilian life even those of us who

1756
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,679
purport to be fairly well self-educated

1757
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:19,920
we still don't have a clue about certain

1758
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,239
aspects of what goes on the scenes and i

1759
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,199
think that's important to acknowledge um

1760
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:27,840
for me guesswork is an essential part of

1761
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,880
this but informed guesswork and that at

1762
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:32,800
the highest levels of intelligence

1763
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:34,960
keeping and need to know

1764
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:37,520
there is ferocious infighting there are

1765
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,080
people who are tired

1766
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,800
of keeping up this false front and this

1767
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:44,719
nonsense uh

1768
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,320
and this constant scree of lying that

1769
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,400
they've been doing for decades and

1770
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:52,480
inheriting from those who came before

1771
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:55,520
them and others who want to just stand

1772
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,640
the line

1773
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,440
stay where you are hold the position

1774
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,600
there's too much to lose in terms of

1775
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,960
embarrassment

1776
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,800
to digress for a moment jimmy can you

1777
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,360
imagine if we still lived in a time when

1778
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,520
a president of the united states could

1779
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,480
still

1780
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,800
go on television radio and major media

1781
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:14,400
and say my fellow americans and by

1782
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,640
extension citizens of the world it's my

1783
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,360
solemn duty to inform you that and then

1784
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:21,679
you know the wording would follow

1785
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,880
that probably had its last shot

1786
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,120
under eisenhower truman could have done

1787
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:28,960
it eisenhower may have been able to do

1788
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,360
it kennedy couldn't

1789
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:33,520
now it would have to be coordinated with

1790
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,840
all world leaders not to mention

1791
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:37,760
leaders in the fields of economic

1792
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,480
psychology business religion you name it

1793
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,480
but if it could be done it still

1794
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:45,840
wouldn't be done

1795
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,480
because presidents of the united states

1796
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:50,560
are temporary employees

1797
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,840
and whether

1798
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,440
they're democrat or republican or

1799
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,640
whatever

1800
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,480
they form a very elite club and if

1801
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:58,320
they're gone their families still have a

1802
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:59,280
say

1803
01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:00,159
and

1804
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,760
for a president

1805
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:04,159
to say an announcement even anything

1806
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:07,360
like this would immediately be to admit

1807
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,760
that they and every president since and

1808
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,000
including harry s truman have been an

1809
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,040
unindicted co-conspirator in the biggest

1810
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,199
cover-up in the history of humanity and

1811
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:19,199
they're a little touchy about that

1812
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:21,920
a little bit yes

1813
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,960
again the infighting will continue but

1814
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:26,800
for the first time

1815
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:29,040
we're seeing the cracks and we're seeing

1816
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,080
major

1817
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:31,840
figures in different agencies and you

1818
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,280
know the head of nasa only last month

1819
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,600
and then major academics

1820
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:39,280
finally having the courage to really

1821
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:40,640
come forward

1822
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:43,760
avi loeb of harvard is a great example

1823
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:46,719
who don't give a damn anymore what

1824
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:49,440
harvard's going to say because

1825
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:52,400
it's fair game now it's science it's

1826
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,080
history and it's i i'm about to say

1827
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:58,080
national insecurity but you know what

1828
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,600
it's really a matter of national

1829
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,120
insecurity

1830
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,840
now uh you you brought up a really good

1831
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,000
point and that was a nut

1832
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,120
when we look at the milestones of 2021

1833
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:10,960
when it comes to ufos

1834
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,840
uh

1835
01:19:16,110 --> 01:19:14,400
and and what has really been going on it

1836
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:16,120
was a heck of a year

1837
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:19,840
2017 was a a barn burner definitely at

1838
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:22,400
the close of a 2017

1839
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:24,400
in the beginning of 2018 no question

1840
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,560
about it but you look at 2021

1841
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,040
and it's holy crap and one of those holy

1842
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:33,840
crap moments for me again

1843
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:36,560
that got buried because of all of the

1844
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,280
other news i tried to make it news

1845
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:42,480
was bill nelson from nasa

1846
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:47,280
and and and bill um in his statements

1847
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:48,719
it was

1848
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:51,840
a political interview

1849
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,480
for the university of west virginia uh

1850
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:56,400
with one of their professors and it was

1851
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:59,199
for the political department right okay

1852
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,159
so

1853
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,600
uh a one hour interview you've got uh 50

1854
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,000
minutes of the politics of nasa and

1855
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,400
getting funded and and and how they are

1856
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:11,199
doing things and how uh bill navigates

1857
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,800
all of that which is a pretty nasty

1858
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,800
thing okay all right we all know about

1859
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:16,320
nasa and funding

1860
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:17,440
but

1861
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:19,679
that last 10 minutes

1862
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:22,719
was ufo gold

1863
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:26,800
and i i i watched that peter like uh

1864
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:29,840
it was 10 minutes i watched it 10 times

1865
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,679
i watched 100 minutes back to back going

1866
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,000
is he really saying

1867
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:38,880
it was terribly exciting yeah it was and

1868
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,679
uh and he did not it wasn't anything

1869
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,199
where you had to

1870
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:45,760
listen between the lines

1871
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:49,120
he was very direct

1872
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:52,800
and and didn't didn't want anybody to

1873
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:55,920
misconstrue or put words in his mouth

1874
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,120
he absolutely was totally clear again in

1875
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,880
any other year this is like the biggest

1876
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:01,920
news

1877
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,719
right and in 2021 with everything else

1878
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,239
that happened

1879
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,120
uh the bill nelson thing may be

1880
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,520
forgotten it was a tremendous statement

1881
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,840
by bill ironic yes

1882
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,360
it's true and

1883
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,600
when you contrast that and you're as

1884
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,360
you're speaking i'm remembering

1885
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:21,679
back when carter was elected and we all

1886
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:24,639
knew uh with some excitement in the ufo

1887
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:27,440
research community that um

1888
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,159
this next upcoming president had a

1889
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:31,840
serious interest that he had actually

1890
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:34,159
had a sighting uh in fact it was a very

1891
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,679
public sighting in that it happened

1892
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:38,320
while he was campaigning as i recall for

1893
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:40,960
governor of the state of georgia at like

1894
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:43,280
a rotary club picnic or

1895
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,239
another um like organization and went

1896
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,239
off script and said if i'm elected we'll

1897
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,880
get to the bottom of this and we now

1898
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,239
know that i think it was during the

1899
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,159
first week of his presidency he called

1900
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,800
in the then head of nasa

1901
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:59,760
and said that he felt it was appropriate

1902
01:22:02,110 --> 01:22:01,280
that

1903
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:02,120
the

1904
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,159
response and this isn't word for word

1905
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,400
but anybody can google it was

1906
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,159
you can do what you want mr president

1907
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,880
but if you do i will resign

1908
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,120
we have enough trouble with funding and

1909
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:23,760
it's an unpopular issue within

1910
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,560
you know this agency it's

1911
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:28,320
fraught with ridicule

1912
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:31,600
and i do not accept that and carter back

1913
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,719
down

1914
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,800
this was just the opposite and like you

1915
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,679
say

1916
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:37,360
in a year of

1917
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:38,880
jaw-dropping

1918
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,199
news items around this subject

1919
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,920
it's a footnote i encourage everybody to

1920
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:46,320
do what jimmy and i did and you know in

1921
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:48,000
a couple of google hits you could find

1922
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,719
it

1923
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,040
bill nelson's statement on ufos and

1924
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:53,040
listen to it for yourself and it is it's

1925
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,360
10 minutes that's an awful long time oh

1926
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,199
he didn't want to stop he didn't want to

1927
01:23:03,830 --> 01:22:58,960
stop and

1928
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:03,840
and uh it was really funny that uh how

1929
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,360
uh the professor's name escapes me um

1930
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:10,080
uh but he did open the door right and he

1931
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:13,360
brings up uh the ua ptf or you know he

1932
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:14,480
brings it up

1933
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:18,400
and and bill was ready to go and it

1934
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,280
wasn't a red written statement

1935
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:23,520
um and one of the things that bill

1936
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,120
nelson said which i thought i'm

1937
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:27,120
paraphrasing here but it was so

1938
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,639
extraordinary

1939
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,320
he said

1940
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,159
we're seeing things

1941
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,719
something is visiting us and it is

1942
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,480
nasa's job

1943
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,800
to find the extraterrestrial

1944
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:40,800
civilizations that are visiting this

1945
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:49,830
hold on it is nasa's mission and he said

1946
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:53,920
make no mistake we are on this

1947
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:57,199
this is what we do and i was like oh my

1948
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:58,560
goodness

1949
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:01,440
right it was it was unbelievable

1950
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,159
it is and that's one of them you know

1951
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:06,719
that statement alone um

1952
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,639
gives me hope that in 2022

1953
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,880
this will continue to snowball and while

1954
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,480
we're talking about

1955
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,719
the um

1956
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,560
the breaks in the case so to say the

1957
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:20,000
extraordinary statements and the

1958
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,600
developments and the public figures

1959
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:22,800
statements

1960
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:25,600
in this past year i remember

1961
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,880
early winter of 2020 sitting down and

1962
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,199
making a list of everything that had

1963
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,600
happened in 2020 which if it had not

1964
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,159
been run by the pandemic although this

1965
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:38,639
year to a degree certainly has two yes

1966
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:40,960
it would have been the ultimate year of

1967
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:44,719
breaks in the ufo story since 1947.

1968
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,760
it was breathtaking so we are now on a

1969
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:50,000
two-year roll with this and whatever the

1970
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:52,719
hell is coming at us next year in the

1971
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:55,199
non-ufo related world

1972
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,400
this isn't going to stop um and it's

1973
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:00,719
very important for broadcasters to

1974
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:03,920
continue to responsibly put forward

1975
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,040
every piece of news as it comes out and

1976
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,120
make sure that their audience has good

1977
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,000
sources for it if they want to check it

1978
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,800
now what do you uh

1979
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,360
what do you expect when

1980
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,960
uh

1981
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,400
i think

1982
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,480
okay i'm just gonna say this directly

1983
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,560
i think that uh

1984
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:26,239
the

1985
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,800
announcers

1986
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,639
of uh the press secretaries of the

1987
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,719
department of defense got called out by

1988
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:36,080
odni

1989
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:41,760
and we had a a pretty nice little run

1990
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:45,199
with susan goff and and others uh that

1991
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,880
were stepping up to the podium and

1992
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,880
answering these questions about uaps and

1993
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:51,520
louisando and atip and

1994
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:55,199
and uaps and and videos

1995
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:57,440
and it was uh

1996
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,960
it seemed like it was a very open

1997
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,880
conversation

1998
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:03,600
but that has kind of been curtailed a

1999
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:06,960
little bit do you think that

2000
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,760
that switch has been flipped off and we

2001
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,360
may not have

2002
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:13,440
that kind of openness with the pentagon

2003
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,070
great question um no it hasn't been

2004
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,080
switched off again because they can't

2005
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,000
switch it off however

2006
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:26,800
there you can imagine that there is a

2007
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:29,760
certain amount of high level increasing

2008
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,520
irritation that this damn subject is

2009
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:36,159
getting so much time and so much serious

2010
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:37,280
attention

2011
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,320
when

2012
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,159
people cleared to know

2013
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:42,000
some of the most important secrets of

2014
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,120
state are still not cleared to know

2015
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:47,679
some of the mid-level information about

2016
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:50,719
what we euphemistically know about the

2017
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,600
truly anomalous ufo phenomena there's

2018
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:55,280
got to be a certain amount of military

2019
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,719
pride frustration there and not wanting

2020
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,669
look uninformed

2021
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:05,440
you

2022
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:12,719
i think whoever

2023
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:15,520
continues to be or moves into the realm

2024
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:18,560
as new press secretaries in the pentagon

2025
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,960
is going to have to walk a careful tight

2026
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:22,960
wire

2027
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,120
and be careful about how they choose

2028
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,000
their words and the emphasis they put on

2029
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:29,679
it unless

2030
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,639
key

2031
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:32,800
individuals in the leadership

2032
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,360
shift or unless

2033
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:36,960
current leadership

2034
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:40,000
is brought more closely into the circle

2035
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:43,360
and sees this as something that should

2036
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,159
be

2037
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:46,480
put forward with more emphasis

2038
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,440
and

2039
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,159
more publicity um

2040
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,360
i remember that during the reagan era

2041
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,840
and president reagan love him or hate

2042
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:57,920
him he took the subject seriously we

2043
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:58,719
know

2044
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:02,000
he had at least one major ufo sighting

2045
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,639
that as governor from the plane the

2046
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:06,639
governor's plane with everybody in the

2047
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:09,040
crew with a public statement after the

2048
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:10,239
fact by

2049
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:11,840
the governor's pilot

2050
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,239
and then he and nancy talking about it

2051
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:15,920
at a dinner party of a number of

2052
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,040
hollywood major players after the fact

2053
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:21,920
and his um

2054
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:24,719
national security adviser at the time

2055
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,360
colin powell may he rest in peace

2056
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:29,840
every time reagan would start to allude

2057
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,480
to or talk about

2058
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:35,120
the extraterrestrial question

2059
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,000
um from what i understand

2060
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,560
powell would nervously make jokes about

2061
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,440
there goes reagan and his lgm's again

2062
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:46,000
lgm's being little green men

2063
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:48,800
this has to be a subject that for

2064
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,520
managers of major players

2065
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,239
is anxiety provoking even in this more

2066
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,800
open time and certainly that would be

2067
01:29:02,310 --> 01:28:58,719
the case within the pentagon

2068
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,320
yeah he uh i went you know that famous

2069
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,400
line i use it for the intro on the show

2070
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,880
that he did at the united nations i

2071
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:09,040
often wonder what if right

2072
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:13,040
he i i chased this down

2073
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,239
i got eight audio clips from eight

2074
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:18,960
different speeches where he used that

2075
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:21,520
line or a variation of it

2076
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,560
and uh and i read that his speech writer

2077
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:28,800
kept removing it

2078
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:31,840
and he kept adding handwriting it in as

2079
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:34,159
he's walking up to the podium and that

2080
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:36,159
he he did this eight times not once at

2081
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:37,840
the united nations but he did it eight

2082
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:39,679
times and then he had the other siding i

2083
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:42,480
got to get to a break him and nancy on a

2084
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:45,679
pacific coast highway probably in that

2085
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:48,400
powder blue mustang convertible that he

2086
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:52,239
so famously drove was uh headed to uh

2087
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:54,719
another party in hollywood driving

2088
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,719
pacific coast highway malibu and had a

2089
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:58,800
sighting of something that came out of

2090
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:01,920
the water and flew up into the sky and

2091
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:03,440
they went to the party and said you're

2092
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:04,800
not going to believe what nance and i

2093
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:07,120
just saw exactly i think there was uh

2094
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:09,440
like milton berle's house or

2095
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:12,480
lucille balls or you know whoever was i

2096
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:15,679
think it was um uh lucille ball and um

2097
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,239
um ricky ricardo ricky ricardo

2098
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,159
oh man let's take our break right here

2099
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:24,239
this is fade to black

2100
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,520
our guest tonight peter robbins

2101
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,760
showing the effects of lockdown he can't

2102
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,920
remember

2103
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:34,239
ricky ricardo we'll be right back this

2104
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:37,290
is fade to black stay with us

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01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:53,669
[Music]

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01:30:58,980 --> 01:30:56,870
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2107
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:58,990
you're listening to fade to black

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2140
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2141
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2142
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2143
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2182
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:19,920
welcome back fade to black i am your

2183
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:22,080
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2184
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:24,239
is here tomorrow night

2185
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,280
continuing closing out

2186
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:29,040
our new year's week here on fade to

2187
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black tomorrow night richard dolan is

2188
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here also out of new york he's a

2189
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,320
neighbor of peters i understand and uh

2190
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:37,920
and then thursday night's our last show

2191
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,440
of the year it's a fader night open

2192
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lines all night long it's going to be a

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great way to celebrate

2194
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new year's which is coming up on friday

2195
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,000
is new year's eve now peter

2196
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:52,080
speaking of new york

2197
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:53,119
uh

2198
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,000
forward

2199
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,719
uh to 2022

2200
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:02,960
and looking at uh

2201
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,199
her original press release this is

2202
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:06,960
what's crazy to me

2203
01:36:11,910 --> 01:36:09,119
uh that's december 9th

2204
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,920
and this is fresh

2205
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:13,520
and

2206
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:15,920
her approach to this

2207
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,320
is it seems to me and i want your take

2208
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:19,840
on this

2209
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,000
the opposite of

2210
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,440
the approach that is in the new

2211
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:27,760
intelligence budget uh that was uh

2212
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:30,320
signed off yesterday by president biden

2213
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:33,520
so uh what's your take on it i want to i

2214
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:35,199
want to read this

2215
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,239
uh this was uh the press release and it

2216
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:40,480
says gillibrand's provision will

2217
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:43,280
establish a formal office to carry out a

2218
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:45,199
coordinated effort on collection and

2219
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,639
analysis related to uaps

2220
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,320
senator gillibrand is announcing the

2221
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:52,560
inclusion of her unidentified aerial

2222
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:54,880
phenomena uap amendment

2223
01:37:01,830 --> 01:37:00,000
in the fy 22 ndaa today uaps pose a

2224
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:01,840
significant challenge to our national

2225
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:04,320
security and then she goes on to say and

2226
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:05,760
i quote here

2227
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:08,800
our national security efforts rely on

2228
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:11,360
aerial supremacy and these phenomena

2229
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,440
present a challenge to our dominance

2230
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,239
over the air staying ahead of uap

2231
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:17,520
sightings

2232
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:19,760
is critical to keeping our strategic

2233
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:23,280
edge and keeping our nation safe

2234
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:24,880
uh

2235
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,440
what what do you make of her you know

2236
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:29,520
it's 140 pages you know

2237
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:32,560
it's too long to go into here

2238
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:36,080
but what do you think about her approach

2239
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,679
as opposed to the department of

2240
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:40,239
defense's approach

2241
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:42,480
i think the department of defense may be

2242
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,040
a little uneasy with the wording of her

2243
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,199
approach because

2244
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,600
it doesn't necessarily

2245
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:51,840
give them

2246
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:53,280
control

2247
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,440
over the dialogue

2248
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:58,080
what she is saying is

2249
01:38:02,709 --> 01:37:59,920
what

2250
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,719
the most macho alpha males have been

2251
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,040
saying for decades

2252
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:07,600
this could be a threat

2253
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:10,320
we don't know what it is and therefore

2254
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,000
we have to be wary which

2255
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,600
is the same thing the pentagon has been

2256
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,280
saying but again

2257
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:20,080
they're not used to having a female put

2258
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:23,040
this forward and in such hyper

2259
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:26,880
articulate prose uh i've read about half

2260
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,280
of her

2261
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:31,440
extraordinarily long and detailed

2262
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:33,760
amendment and

2263
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:35,920
this woman has had

2264
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:38,320
the best counseling imaginable

2265
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:41,520
in nuance in understanding in

2266
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:44,480
making sure that if it's passed

2267
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:47,119
this thing is going anywhere that she

2268
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:48,000
will

2269
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,800
be a major player in the subject as we

2270
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,560
move forward

2271
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:54,320
again because

2272
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:55,520
defense

2273
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:56,480
and

2274
01:39:02,149 --> 01:39:00,080
national security is the only language

2275
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,159
that

2276
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:04,800
mankind on a certain level

2277
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,639
seems to understand at least for those

2278
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,719
in power they're certainly not going to

2279
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,880
become welcome the space brothers types

2280
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:12,960
and you know let's welcome them here so

2281
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:15,280
that they can help us cure cancer get on

2282
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,239
top of the pandemic uh make us all love

2283
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:20,880
each other and um make the earth a

2284
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:22,320
friendly happy

2285
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:24,719
environmentally uh balanced place to

2286
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:28,480
live she's talking their language and in

2287
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,119
a way that i think has never

2288
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,199
been heard before

2289
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:36,480
from an elected american senator

2290
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:39,199
which makes her kind of um

2291
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:41,920
not a loose cannon but a wild card

2292
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:44,000
now there's uh

2293
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,679
another another part to this

2294
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,960
which is

2295
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,400
uh

2296
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,800
the different branches of the military

2297
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:54,400
compete

2298
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:59,040
the same thing goes on with

2299
01:40:10,629 --> 01:39:59,920
the

2300
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,639
past and right now it is glaring and out

2301
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:11,840
front

2302
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:14,320
where it appears

2303
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:17,679
that both gillibrand and rubio

2304
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,840
uh are pushing for absolute and total

2305
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,360
transparency

2306
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,719
between the

2307
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:27,280
intelligence agencies and the department

2308
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:30,080
of defense and capitol hill that

2309
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,159
everybody has to have their cards on the

2310
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:34,800
table there's no more

2311
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:37,520
keeping this information to yourselves

2312
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,320
and

2313
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,760
this would be like the first time that

2314
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,920
this has ever happened

2315
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,840
and it's going to happen over the ufo

2316
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:45,679
uap issue

2317
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:46,480
yes

2318
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,920
is is this possible can it be successful

2319
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,000
well you can almost hear the pigs

2320
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:54,880
squealing in the stalls right now uh the

2321
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:56,000
fact is

2322
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,600
since the

2323
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:59,760
passage of the national security act of

2324
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:01,440
1947

2325
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:05,440
and then the advent of the activation of

2326
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:06,480
our

2327
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,600
very first secretary of defense james

2328
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:13,199
vincent forrestall

2329
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:15,440
under a unified leader

2330
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:18,719
we have played at an openness but it's

2331
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,000
never been true the infighting even

2332
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:23,920
while the department of defense was

2333
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:26,560
being established was murderous and

2334
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,040
while the army and navy were going at it

2335
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:31,600
in the wings was waiting to be activated

2336
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:34,159
in september of 1947 the united states

2337
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,360
air force i don't think any of the

2338
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:39,600
service agencies or any of our

2339
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:42,880
intelligence agencies are happy at all

2340
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:43,920
about

2341
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:46,560
not just this push from congress

2342
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,400
but an equal push

2343
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:51,119
from the right and from the left

2344
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:54,320
this has in fact become the only issue

2345
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:58,400
that i'm aware of that has united

2346
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:00,239
both sides the eye extremists on the

2347
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:01,920
left and the right yeah

2348
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,520
well nobody

2349
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,199
they're just not used to

2350
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:06,880
dealing with this because it's never

2351
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:09,920
come up before no not like this and and

2352
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:12,840
here's a quote from rubio

2353
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,000
right this is crazy to me

2354
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,560
he says quote it is my hope that the

2355
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:20,719
creation of a new joint defense

2356
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:23,199
department and intelligence community

2357
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:24,239
office

2358
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,560
focused on uaps and it says wait a

2359
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,109
it's it sounds like it's impo you're

2360
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,040
asking everybody to just get in the

2361
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,520
sandbox ignore the past

2362
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:37,679
and and let's just play with our toys

2363
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,880
together

2364
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:41,440
you can almost hear the screams coming

2365
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:43,920
from the beltway area from virginia and

2366
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:46,719
from maryland uh they're freaking on a

2367
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,560
certain level quietly and with a certain

2368
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:51,440
amount of dignity because

2369
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:54,159
they don't trust each other well

2370
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:56,480
this is the way the game is placed

2371
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,080
it has not a damn game no no no and it

2372
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,320
it has been that way for a long time on

2373
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:04,560
every issue

2374
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:07,199
now it's the ufo issue but before it was

2375
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:08,560
every issue

2376
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:12,480
and there's a high brow uh attitude from

2377
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:15,760
each of the branches of the military and

2378
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,719
uh

2379
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:19,440
the intelligence agencies where

2380
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:22,560
they know more they are better at this

2381
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,800
at this than you are

2382
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:26,800
right and and that's why we don't share

2383
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:28,719
information with you guys

2384
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,679
and now they are being told you must and

2385
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:34,000
this is going to be part of the

2386
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:35,600
legislation

2387
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,679
is there a way to fight this and and the

2388
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:39,360
other the other question is there a way

2389
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:41,600
to fight this on their side

2390
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,679
but how can we expect open transparency

2391
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:47,840
right when it's their job to

2392
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:49,840
hold the secrets

2393
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:52,800
you we are dealing here with

2394
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:54,880
a deeply entrenched

2395
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,360
alpha male mentality

2396
01:44:02,229 --> 01:43:59,280
that goes back

2397
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:02,239
at least figuratively to the revolution

2398
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:05,199
that you know tough guys don't give in

2399
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,480
uh you don't apologize you don't share

2400
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:10,320
with the other guys because it's all

2401
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:11,760
about winning

2402
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:15,040
it's all about ego and it's all about

2403
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:16,560
you know being the guy that people

2404
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:19,520
respect the most and i keep using

2405
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:22,560
the male reality because it's still

2406
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:25,280
overwhelmingly dominantly um you know

2407
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:26,560
run by guys

2408
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,880
and white guys at that ones who have

2409
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:31,119
been in power

2410
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:33,199
since the start of this

2411
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,480
great democratic experiment

2412
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:38,239
if you don't mind jimmy i just want to

2413
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:40,159
go back for a minute to what we were

2414
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:42,880
talking about about reagan and right

2415
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,280
before i temporarily lost my mind and

2416
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:47,520
referred to a real person as the

2417
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:50,560
character they played on television

2418
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:53,920
while we were on break i i quickly did a

2419
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,719
quick note looking up and was reminded

2420
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,560
that a good friend of mine years ago and

2421
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:01,520
a close colleague ron mcgare

2422
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,600
is as intrigued as that

2423
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,360
as we are about

2424
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:08,000
the genesis of that very famous

2425
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:10,639
statement that was repeated but best

2426
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:13,840
known in the context of um

2427
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:16,800
the 1987 statement within the um the

2428
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,400
united nations um he spoke to

2429
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:23,199
the speechwriter reagan's speechwriter

2430
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,880
uh at that time

2431
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:26,719
who wrote that speech

2432
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:29,280
and you know call me a genius but i

2433
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:31,040
remember the guy's name who knows how i

2434
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:32,800
remember this stuff it was peter

2435
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:36,080
robinson i know it's amazing that i read

2436
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:37,119
exactly

2437
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,040
and i just wanted for the folks that

2438
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:41,679
aren't aware of what reagan said

2439
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:42,560
what

2440
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:44,320
robinson

2441
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:45,679
told ron

2442
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:47,199
was that

2443
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:49,679
that part of the speech was not only

2444
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,480
written by reagan but if he could get

2445
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:54,719
permission to get into the ronald reagan

2446
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:58,560
library in simi valley california as a

2447
01:46:02,629 --> 01:45:59,679
scholar

2448
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,639
and get to look at the actual manuscript

2449
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:03,920
he would see

2450
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:06,400
in ronald reagan's very unique

2451
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:09,119
handwriting along the right margin what

2452
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:11,760
i'm about to read to you

2453
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:15,119
and this is from again september 21st

2454
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:17,920
1987 reagan's address to the united

2455
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:20,239
nations general assembly quote

2456
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:23,199
cannot swords be turned into plowshares

2457
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,159
can we and all nations not live in peace

2458
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,400
is our obsession with antagonisms of the

2459
01:46:33,990 --> 01:46:31,199
moment we often forget how much unites

2460
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:34,000
all the members of humanity perhaps we

2461
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:36,960
need some outside universal threat to

2462
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,000
make us recognize this common bond i

2463
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,239
occasionally think how quickly our

2464
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,800
differences worldwide would vanish if we

2465
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:47,119
were faced with an alien threat from

2466
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,199
outside this world

2467
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:51,600
and listen to how he segues from that

2468
01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:52,840
shocking

2469
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:56,320
statement back into the world of united

2470
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:58,960
nations acceptable analogies and yet i

2471
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:01,760
ask you is not an alien force already

2472
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,000
among us what could be more alien to the

2473
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,080
universal aspirations of our peoples

2474
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,400
than war and the threat of war and then

2475
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:10,560
he goes on with the established text

2476
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,280
from then that's masterful

2477
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:15,600
he knew and he knew he couldn't talk

2478
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:18,639
about it and yet he wanted people to

2479
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:19,679
know

2480
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:22,159
after he was gone that he knew that's

2481
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:24,800
not even a coded message that i think is

2482
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:27,600
unique among presidential statements he

2483
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:29,920
was that close to saying it he knew he

2484
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:30,960
couldn't

2485
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:33,679
but he got it in that way yeah yeah yeah

2486
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:36,719
and uh like i said i went and and

2487
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:40,080
and pulled uh the eight speeches where

2488
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,239
he would um uh

2489
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,560
like you just said uh he would have his

2490
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:46,800
speech he would hand write it out

2491
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:47,679
um

2492
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:49,360
and and hand it over he had a

2493
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:52,159
speechwriter they would do an edit and

2494
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:53,679
then he would go and write in the

2495
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:55,360
margins and

2496
01:48:00,149 --> 01:47:58,159
and add that alien section

2497
01:48:01,270 --> 01:48:00,159
that he wanted to add it kept getting

2498
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:01,280
removed

2499
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,000
and he would write it back in and and he

2500
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,639
made this statement multiple times each

2501
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,360
one was varied uh

2502
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:12,239
uh i ended up for this show uh this is

2503
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:14,880
like a little historical footnote i i

2504
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:19,280
ended up pulling the uh united nations

2505
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:20,159
uh

2506
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:24,800
show because it was the clearest

2507
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,400
it was the clearest it was the best

2508
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:28,880
recording i could get but i i got other

2509
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,400
recordings and and it wasn't as clear

2510
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:34,560
for production reasons but it also

2511
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:37,760
wasn't as strongly worded

2512
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:40,560
like he he did at the united nations but

2513
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,639
yeah he did it eight times

2514
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:44,719
eight not once you know everybody wants

2515
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:47,280
to cite the united nations no he uh he

2516
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,199
did it multiple times um i wonder uh

2517
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:53,040
peter you're you're

2518
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:55,360
so much of a historian

2519
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:56,320
the

2520
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:00,719
uh for research

2521
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,440
for compiling uh not only for your books

2522
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,600
but for how you approach things as a

2523
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:07,360
researcher in the past

2524
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:11,040
how difficult was it uh before the

2525
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:12,239
internet

2526
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:14,400
where today the reason why i bring this

2527
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:16,000
up we're talking about gila brand we're

2528
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:17,440
talking about

2529
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,199
the the the nsa the odni uh the the

2530
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:23,440
senate capitol hill all of this stuff is

2531
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,159
readily available uh we have c-span we

2532
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,960
can go in and do whatever we want to do

2533
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,080
today

2534
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:32,239
and the knowledge is out there right we

2535
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:35,280
have a very smart ufo community today

2536
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,080
yeah um very well informed but how

2537
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,400
difficult was it before you had access

2538
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,400
to all of this like you just pulled up

2539
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:44,320
ronald reagan's speech in in a

2540
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,760
commercial break you couldn't have done

2541
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:47,760
that 20 years ago

2542
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,639
no

2543
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:50,400
but

2544
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:53,040
i grew up in a house

2545
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:54,639
where

2546
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:57,679
there were books and i i was a little

2547
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:59,520
late in mastering reading because i'm

2548
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:01,760
dyslexic but by the time i was eight i

2549
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:03,280
had it down

2550
01:50:08,830 --> 01:50:06,000
i had my library card and by the time i

2551
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,840
was a teenager i was actively building a

2552
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:10,880
library and

2553
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:13,199
i have a huge library here yes you do

2554
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:14,159
john

2555
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:15,199
history

2556
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,199
ufo studies

2557
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:19,520
science

2558
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:20,239
on

2559
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:24,719
to interest me in a life that's taken me

2560
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:26,960
in a lot of directions and

2561
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,199
allowed me to travel in 20

2562
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:31,199
more than 25 countries and quite a

2563
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:34,159
number of which i i cannot visit again

2564
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:35,920
nor can you

2565
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:38,080
and then wanting to know more about them

2566
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:40,880
as i move forward also

2567
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:43,599
i read literature for every ufo book i

2568
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:46,960
read i read a novel um there were years

2569
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,199
back when i started that i felt guilty

2570
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:50,800
about that you should always be on the

2571
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:54,480
case but there is something about a book

2572
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:55,599
that has

2573
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:57,199
a um

2574
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:58,880
an appendix

2575
01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:01,119
an index

2576
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,159
it's biology a bibliography

2577
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:06,000
it shows its sources and it has stood

2578
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:08,800
the test of time and so

2579
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,440
as an investigative writer and a lay

2580
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:12,800
historian

2581
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:15,760
i can often find what i need right here

2582
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,480
otherwise um i i live some miles from

2583
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,400
the college town of ithaca new york and

2584
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,719
we have a great public library there

2585
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:26,880
i've lived most of my life in manhattan

2586
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:29,199
and greater new york city and the main

2587
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,239
branch of the public library there is

2588
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:34,560
one of for me the most sacred places in

2589
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,880
the world um yes the internet's

2590
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:37,840
wonderful

2591
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:38,639
but

2592
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:39,679
i

2593
01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:46,960
and always have access to whatever

2594
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,599
library near where i was living

2595
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:51,599
i was very comfortable doing that and

2596
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:52,719
again like

2597
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:56,000
when i'm i was in high school you used

2598
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:58,880
xerox machine well you used um

2599
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,599
microfiche which had articles you know

2600
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:03,840
from papers going back a hundred years

2601
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:06,320
and you could print them out copy out

2602
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:08,639
you know type it up

2603
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:11,520
so it wasn't that difficult and i

2604
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:13,599
encourage everybody that has a serious

2605
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:15,440
interest in this subject or if you're

2606
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:17,760
passionate about any given subject to

2607
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,000
build an actual library around it

2608
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,320
something you can take real pride in i

2609
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:24,639
know you know and as a city dweller for

2610
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,000
most of my life

2611
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,400
your space is limited and your bookshelf

2612
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:30,960
space is limited but to whatever degree

2613
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,080
you can

2614
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:34,159
build a library and there are so many

2615
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:36,800
good books on the subject of ufos and

2616
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,199
more of them coming out all of the time

2617
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,040
you and i have so many informed

2618
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,520
colleagues who are such good writers and

2619
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:45,440
it's for me one of the pleasures of

2620
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,639
doing the work that we do to bring on

2621
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:50,960
established authors or new authors to

2622
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:52,880
talk about their books and hopefully

2623
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:55,760
help get those books out there well i

2624
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,040
think that uh i can't help

2625
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:01,440
but contemplate

2626
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:03,599
that one of the reasons why we are

2627
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:06,480
seeing the openness right now

2628
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:10,239
out of washington dc from every front

2629
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:13,360
is that the public is informed there's

2630
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,480
an instantaneous uh information system

2631
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:19,440
that is at the disposal of everybody

2632
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,159
and uh for everybody

2633
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:25,199
and they now have to get out in front of

2634
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:26,880
this because

2635
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:29,440
in the past they could bury it they

2636
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:31,840
could keep the secrets and

2637
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:34,639
and and the public didn't know and and

2638
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,320
that was the end of the story that

2639
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,480
comfort zone is gone

2640
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:41,199
it's gone and i think that that may be

2641
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:43,679
part of the catalyst right now for this

2642
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,760
openness because

2643
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:47,360
somebody's gonna blow this out of the

2644
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:50,000
water for them if they don't get out in

2645
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:51,280
front of it

2646
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:54,320
it's true and um i i don't mean in any

2647
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:57,520
way to demean uh the internet it's

2648
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:00,400
miraculous um the main thing i try to

2649
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:04,159
stress with people that come to me um

2650
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,159
to think out loud with them on their

2651
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:08,719
projects is

2652
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:11,679
get into the habit of verifying your

2653
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:13,520
sources wherever they are

2654
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:15,440
there's so much attractive stuff on the

2655
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:18,320
surface and it's sexy and it's exotic

2656
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:20,400
and nowhere more than in the world of

2657
01:54:25,109 --> 01:54:23,040
moving images and still images regarding

2658
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:25,119
ufos but how many of them are actually

2659
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:27,679
backed up by photo analyses by actual

2660
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:30,239
credible witnesses by the optics that

2661
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:33,920
are being used etc get into the habit it

2662
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:36,880
will only help you to help yourself and

2663
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,400
help others

2664
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:40,320
bring this subject together we are all

2665
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:41,920
in it together from the best known to

2666
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,239
the least known and that is terribly

2667
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:46,639
exciting you can just be somebody out

2668
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:47,920
there

2669
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:50,239
listening to this show who's developing

2670
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,920
an interest but a year from now you can

2671
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:53,599
be contributing

2672
01:55:00,870 --> 01:54:57,760
an article on some aspect of this to

2673
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:00,880
a journal online or off that

2674
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:03,119
will help the rest of us put that piece

2675
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,760
into the matrix and move forward that

2676
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:07,440
much and have it be noticed by one of

2677
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:09,040
our elected officials

2678
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:11,679
so it's a very exciting time on this

2679
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,520
stuff and whatever the heck happens to

2680
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:15,679
us next year i think it's going to be

2681
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,119
another landmark year for advances in

2682
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:21,599
our knowledge about this subject and for

2683
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,320
a greater public awareness of it do you

2684
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:26,880
think uh and we talk about this every

2685
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:29,840
year right right before new year's

2686
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:33,360
same ques okay is is is next year the

2687
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:34,239
year

2688
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:38,239
are we finally well i'm going to ask you

2689
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:41,520
i mean is 2022 is that the year have we

2690
01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:43,920
finally arrived

2691
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:46,480
i i think that's going to be a question

2692
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,920
that you'll get a much

2693
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:49,840
better and more detailed answer from

2694
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,800
from my

2695
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:52,560
dear friend neighbor and close colleague

2696
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:54,080
richard m dolan

2697
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:57,360
i will tell you absolutely for a fact i

2698
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:59,679
have an idea in hell whether it's going

2699
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:01,679
to happen next year or not and you can

2700
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:04,719
take that to the bank oh that's an easy

2701
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:06,400
las vegas wouldn't even take that bet

2702
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:07,280
peter

2703
01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:08,719
i mean

2704
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:11,280
uh

2705
01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:13,040
that's why they pay me the big money

2706
01:56:17,189 --> 01:56:15,760
well see here's the deal yes i'm right

2707
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:17,199
but here's the deal

2708
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,679
i would have thought that 2018 was the

2709
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:21,840
year after what happened in december of

2710
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:25,199
2017. i really thought 2018 was going to

2711
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:29,280
be it we roll into the end you know 2019

2712
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:31,119
it's too much is happening

2713
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:34,320
and uh what i would have never suspected

2714
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:37,760
was that four five years later i'd be

2715
01:56:43,350 --> 01:56:41,040
saying the same thing we're kicking the

2716
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:43,360
can down the road i don't want to wait

2717
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:46,320
till 2023.

2718
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:47,599
i don't

2719
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:48,400
well

2720
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:51,520
who does but guess what

2721
01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:54,320
if they some of they

2722
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:55,760
have their say

2723
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,000
we're going to continue to wait except

2724
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,000
that it's going to unravel more each

2725
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,400
year again there are wild cards here it

2726
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:04,400
could come in the form of some

2727
01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:07,119
absolutely credible wikileaks type dump

2728
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:08,639
of information right if you're of a

2729
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:11,280
certain age of uh a daniel ellsberg

2730
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,199
pentagon paper release or they may get

2731
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:17,920
tired of playing a waiting game and say

2732
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:19,920
we're here get used to it

2733
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:21,920
in no uncertain terms

2734
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:24,719
we live in terribly exciting times and

2735
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:28,000
anything may happen at any moment

2736
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:30,560
to really change this story and i'm not

2737
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:32,560
trying to over dramatize it that is

2738
01:57:37,750 --> 01:57:34,480
where we are right now and that is

2739
01:57:39,589 --> 01:57:37,760
terribly exciting but next year maybe

2740
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:39,599
maybe not and again

2741
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:42,719
i will absolutely back up that statement

2742
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:44,639
my full reputation

2743
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:46,639
this is

2744
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:48,480
oh man i'm going to leave that right

2745
01:57:52,229 --> 01:57:50,159
there this is fade to black i'm your

2746
01:57:54,070 --> 01:57:52,239
city church going to take a quick break

2747
01:57:56,950 --> 01:57:54,080
our guest tonight peter robbins

2748
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:56,960
continuing our new year's week here on

2749
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:58,800
fade to black and again peter just

2750
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:00,880
mentioned tomorrow night richard bleep

2751
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:03,280
and dolan is with us and then thursday

2752
01:58:06,149 --> 01:58:04,560
our last show of the year and it's a

2753
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:06,159
fader night i'm your host jimmy church

2754
01:58:07,260 --> 01:58:07,010
we'll be right back

2755
01:58:08,380 --> 01:58:07,270
[Music]

2756
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:08,390
[Applause]

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02:00:26,070 --> 02:00:22,130
make contact

2808
02:00:30,870 --> 02:00:27,910
when you're in the house for longer

2809
02:00:33,350 --> 02:00:30,880
periods of time you can see them flying

2810
02:00:35,030 --> 02:00:33,360
or running across the floor

2811
02:00:38,390 --> 02:00:35,040
ooh yuck

2812
02:00:42,629 --> 02:00:38,400
they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

2813
02:00:44,870 --> 02:00:42,639
bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

2814
02:00:47,510 --> 02:00:44,880
but occasionally bugs show up

2815
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well i found something that is tougher

2816
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than bugs orange guard on contact it

2817
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2818
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and fleas plus orange guard is a

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2820
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ingredients of orange guard are on the

2821
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fda generally recognized as safe list

2822
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orange guard may be used around food

2823
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humans and pets it comes with a 30 day

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[Music]

2829
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2832
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2834
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you want to know a secret

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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

2853
02:02:39,430 --> 02:02:37,599
serious

2854
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:39,440
i couldn't stay sane without pawn

2855
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:41,199
instabrush

2856
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:43,280
why fade to black

2857
02:02:55,650 --> 02:02:51,910
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2858
02:03:09,270 --> 02:02:55,660
on the game changer radio network

2859
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:11,109
welcome back fade to black i am your

2860
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:12,880
host jimmy church tonight

2861
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:16,560
peter robbins is with us and uh

2862
02:03:20,629 --> 02:03:19,040
the last time peter was on the show i

2863
02:03:23,030 --> 02:03:20,639
made a promise to peter so we're going

2864
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:23,040
to do this tonight peter doesn't know

2865
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:24,880
that uh he is going to be staying over

2866
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:27,280
for overtime tonight because

2867
02:03:34,709 --> 02:03:31,990
peter we're on lockdown man you know

2868
02:03:36,709 --> 02:03:34,719
what else have we got to do is uh

2869
02:03:39,109 --> 02:03:36,719
we're going to talk about your sister

2870
02:03:40,790 --> 02:03:39,119
and and i and i promised you the next

2871
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,800
time that we come on the show

2872
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:42,400
we would discuss her

2873
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:44,000
very unique

2874
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:46,800
uh et experience so we're going to do

2875
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,440
that but before we get there that's why

2876
02:03:54,790 --> 02:03:51,599
you have to stay for overtime

2877
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:54,800
i i want to actually discuss uh because

2878
02:03:59,189 --> 02:03:56,719
we brought up gillibrand

2879
02:04:01,910 --> 02:03:59,199
uh so many times tonight and this is a

2880
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:01,920
very important uh piece of legislation

2881
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:03,280
moving into

2882
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:07,520
2022 written into the fiscal year 22

2883
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:09,360
budget

2884
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:11,280
her legislation and these are the five

2885
02:04:17,189 --> 02:04:13,440
bullet points and i want to discuss each

2886
02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:17,199
one of these individually but she states

2887
02:04:23,189 --> 02:04:19,760
and she wants collection and analysis of

2888
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:23,199
data into a central repository

2889
02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:25,280
the uap office will supervise the

2890
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:26,800
development and execution of

2891
02:04:31,589 --> 02:04:28,639
intelligence collection and analysis

2892
02:04:33,990 --> 02:04:31,599
regarding uaps in order to understand

2893
02:04:37,189 --> 02:04:34,000
their technical and scientific

2894
02:04:40,550 --> 02:04:37,199
characteristics the uap office will

2895
02:04:43,589 --> 02:04:40,560
receive relevant data immediately from

2896
02:04:45,109 --> 02:04:43,599
intelligence community agencies

2897
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:45,119
what are your comments on that first

2898
02:04:49,510 --> 02:04:46,880
point

2899
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:49,520
breathtaking

2900
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:52,880
every single one of them is

2901
02:04:56,069 --> 02:04:54,560
i i think

2902
02:04:57,830 --> 02:04:56,079
welcome

2903
02:05:00,950 --> 02:04:57,840
brilliantly worded

2904
02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:02,550
your first question is who is going to

2905
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:05,360
control that office because there's a

2906
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:07,920
lot of monkey mucks out there that would

2907
02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:09,679
love to be the ones

2908
02:05:14,069 --> 02:05:11,119
that

2909
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:14,079
exercise the ultimate say in what goes

2910
02:05:17,510 --> 02:05:15,040
there

2911
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:17,520
the fact that it is being structured to

2912
02:05:21,189 --> 02:05:18,560
be

2913
02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:21,199
as open and transparent

2914
02:05:26,550 --> 02:05:24,560
and hyper specific as possible that you

2915
02:05:28,870 --> 02:05:26,560
don't have a choice guys

2916
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:28,880
you're an intelligence agency

2917
02:05:32,790 --> 02:05:30,719
what you know what you've learned you

2918
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:32,800
will feed to us

2919
02:05:39,990 --> 02:05:36,320
and we will be the ones to

2920
02:05:44,069 --> 02:05:40,000
study it disseminate it

2921
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:44,079
apply what we need to regarding it

2922
02:05:48,149 --> 02:05:45,440
i don't think the wording could be any

2923
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,159
better or any tighter or any more

2924
02:05:54,629 --> 02:05:50,560
challenging to

2925
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:54,639
the existing structure so to say now um

2926
02:05:58,709 --> 02:05:56,800
what about if if it's written into

2927
02:06:01,589 --> 02:05:58,719
legislation

2928
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:01,599
then there must be liability

2929
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:03,360
and accountability

2930
02:06:09,910 --> 02:06:05,599
who enforces that

2931
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:09,920
and who's going to be the ufo uap police

2932
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:12,320
to make sure that the intelligence

2933
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:15,040
community is sharing the data that they

2934
02:06:17,669 --> 02:06:16,800
collect

2935
02:06:23,109 --> 02:06:17,679
that

2936
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:23,119
answer to and obviously this is about as

2937
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:25,360
important a question

2938
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,960
as is going to come up um i don't in

2939
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:31,199
what i've read so far

2940
02:06:38,390 --> 02:06:34,000
of this very long proposal i have not

2941
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:38,400
seen that addressed as such so

2942
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:41,360
that that could be a

2943
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:46,239
a major factor in how successful

2944
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:48,960
this office and this proposal is

2945
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:50,159
i don't know

2946
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:53,440
the next bullet point here establish a

2947
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:55,520
science plan

2948
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:58,159
the uap office will be responsible for

2949
02:07:03,430 --> 02:07:00,560
implementing a science plan

2950
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:03,440
to test scientific theories

2951
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:06,400
related to uap characteristics and

2952
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:09,119
performances

2953
02:07:13,350 --> 02:07:11,360
comments

2954
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:13,360
again um

2955
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:16,400
this pulls out the stops up until now

2956
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:18,159
this has never

2957
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:18,960
been

2958
02:07:21,910 --> 02:07:19,920
even

2959
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:21,920
these words have never been said right

2960
02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:24,000
in the history of project blue book in

2961
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:25,840
the history of any

2962
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:26,960
official

2963
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:30,480
ufo proposals reports going back

2964
02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:33,679
really to the 1940s uh

2965
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:36,480
this woman and her team because

2966
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:37,920
you know there's no question she didn't

2967
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:40,880
come up with this all on our own

2968
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:42,960
have thought this through

2969
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:44,239
and

2970
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:47,840
i you can almost feel for me

2971
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:50,159
a sense of excitement as they locked

2972
02:07:53,669 --> 02:07:52,159
down the wording on this

2973
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,679
that this was going to be as airtight as

2974
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:55,920
it could possibly be what you're saying

2975
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,320
here is that the international

2976
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:00,880
scientific community

2977
02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:05,280
now is invited to take part in this and

2978
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:07,040
this is the united states government the

2979
02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:08,639
elected branch of the united states

2980
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:11,280
government making the invitation

2981
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:13,280
forget about ridicule that doesn't exist

2982
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:16,000
anymore on this level of the game

2983
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:16,800
we

2984
02:08:21,350 --> 02:08:19,360
want your assistance

2985
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:21,360
and again

2986
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:22,719
one of the first people that comes up

2987
02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:23,599
for me

2988
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:26,639
is avi lope who is both

2989
02:08:32,470 --> 02:08:29,520
a respected astronomer and a respected

2990
02:08:34,950 --> 02:08:32,480
academic with a foot in both those

2991
02:08:37,669 --> 02:08:34,960
worlds that used to

2992
02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:37,679
shriek as they ran away from this

2993
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:40,079
subject right who are now

2994
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:41,119
again

2995
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,960
he is uh

2996
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:44,880
he is not in the majority

2997
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,520
but he is making the territory safe for

2998
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:49,520
others who will follow and others will

2999
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:51,920
follow and now

3000
02:08:55,510 --> 02:08:53,760
the government in this proposal the

3001
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:55,520
government uh

3002
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:58,400
kirsten gilbert gillibrand and if this

3003
02:09:02,149 --> 02:09:00,480
passes

3004
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,159
it is to say

3005
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:04,480
we need you we want your help

3006
02:09:07,270 --> 02:09:06,159
it's part of the way we're going to move

3007
02:09:10,229 --> 02:09:07,280
forward

3008
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:10,239
it's it's so interesting uh

3009
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:14,560
this line test scientific theories

3010
02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:17,920
test scientific theories related to uap

3011
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:20,239
characteristics and performances now if

3012
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:22,320
there's an out clause

3013
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:24,400
uh to all of this when i talk about

3014
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:27,119
sharing of information and and what gets

3015
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:29,360
revealed it is this uh this is number

3016
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:30,239
three

3017
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:33,760
build a national priorities

3018
02:09:38,069 --> 02:09:35,920
intelligence framework

3019
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:38,079
the dni uh

3020
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:40,400
the director of national intelligence

3021
02:09:46,229 --> 02:09:42,880
will be required to consult with the

3022
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:46,239
secretary of defense to assign a level

3023
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:47,840
of priority

3024
02:09:53,910 --> 02:09:49,679
within the national intelligence

3025
02:09:56,629 --> 02:09:53,920
priorities framework related to uaps

3026
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:56,639
there's your out clause

3027
02:10:01,910 --> 02:10:00,079
is is that in here to satisfy

3028
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:01,920
the intelligence community that they

3029
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:04,079
don't have to drop trial

3030
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:11,109
i would interpret it that way and in a

3031
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:13,119
sense

3032
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:15,280
you have to do that you have to make a

3033
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:16,639
concession

3034
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:19,040
to the egos to the history of the

3035
02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:20,159
cover-up

3036
02:10:24,069 --> 02:10:23,040
to the entrenched positions to the

3037
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:24,079
feeling

3038
02:10:28,950 --> 02:10:26,159
we can extrapolate

3039
02:10:30,629 --> 02:10:28,960
of people who have in their minds been

3040
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:30,639
handling this

3041
02:10:36,069 --> 02:10:33,679
for decades and that thought that they

3042
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:36,079
are going to be

3043
02:10:41,589 --> 02:10:38,560
relegated to the dustbin

3044
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:41,599
or not get a level of respect that they

3045
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:44,320
feel they've earned um

3046
02:10:48,629 --> 02:10:47,040
it's catering to ego as well as kind of

3047
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:48,639
acknowledging

3048
02:10:54,870 --> 02:10:51,920
the way things are and i think that's

3049
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:54,880
brilliant too is part of what is being

3050
02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:57,679
built into this proposal it's not some

3051
02:11:00,470 --> 02:10:59,040
outrageous

3052
02:11:01,350 --> 02:11:00,480
idealistic

3053
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:01,360
you know

3054
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:03,040
uh rigid

3055
02:11:06,390 --> 02:11:04,719
um

3056
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:06,400
structure

3057
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:08,880
it it's got some latitude it's got some

3058
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:11,119
sway it has some give which when you're

3059
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,040
dealing with human beings at that level

3060
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:15,360
of the power game uh

3061
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:17,199
you have to acknowledge you have to be a

3062
02:11:23,830 --> 02:11:20,320
diplomat you have to have this diplomacy

3063
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:23,840
uh inserted in this uh

3064
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:25,520
absolutely okay

3065
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:27,679
uh but there's always an outclass man

3066
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:29,280
there you know there always is okay

3067
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:30,480
number four

3068
02:11:38,390 --> 02:11:33,520
evaluate any links between uaps and

3069
02:11:40,950 --> 02:11:38,400
foreign governments or non-state actors

3070
02:11:43,510 --> 02:11:40,960
very important point here the uap office

3071
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:43,520
will be tasked with evaluating threats

3072
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:45,840
that uaps may pose

3073
02:11:50,310 --> 02:11:48,400
to the united states additionally the

3074
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:50,320
office will be responsible for

3075
02:11:54,790 --> 02:11:52,320
coordinating with federal agencies

3076
02:11:58,229 --> 02:11:54,800
including the faa and nasa

3077
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:58,239
and international allies and partners on

3078
02:12:00,790 --> 02:11:59,760
uaps

3079
02:12:02,470 --> 02:12:00,800
yes

3080
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:02,480
uh i i think

3081
02:12:06,229 --> 02:12:04,800
this brings up a very important point

3082
02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:06,239
and we should take it back to the

3083
02:12:11,350 --> 02:12:09,760
baseline here ufos 101 and remember when

3084
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:11,360
we're talking about

3085
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:13,920
unidentified flying objects unidentified

3086
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:16,719
aerial phenomena

3087
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:19,199
historically we know even the most

3088
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:21,440
enthusiastic

3089
02:12:26,390 --> 02:12:23,760
followers of the subject acknowledge

3090
02:12:28,470 --> 02:12:26,400
that the majority i would say the great

3091
02:12:30,870 --> 02:12:28,480
majority of things that have been

3092
02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:30,880
reported over the decades as truly

3093
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:32,800
anomalous ufos

3094
02:12:38,790 --> 02:12:35,840
or activity thereof is not

3095
02:12:42,069 --> 02:12:38,800
it has a conventional

3096
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:42,079
explanation even if it's a exotic

3097
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:45,040
conventional explanation uh

3098
02:12:48,069 --> 02:12:46,239
to

3099
02:12:49,910 --> 02:12:48,079
roughly well

3100
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:49,920
to cite the late great

3101
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:51,760
stanton t friedman and if i'm off on

3102
02:12:57,430 --> 02:12:54,159
this quote it's by a hair the question

3103
02:12:59,350 --> 02:12:57,440
is not are ufos uh advanced technology

3104
02:13:02,550 --> 02:12:59,360
from parts unknown under intelligent

3105
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:02,560
control the question is has one ever

3106
02:13:07,109 --> 02:13:03,599
been

3107
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:07,119
but even there we have to remember that

3108
02:13:10,390 --> 02:13:08,239
in the

3109
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,400
category of truly

3110
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:12,639
uh

3111
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:15,360
anomalous ufos we have

3112
02:13:18,629 --> 02:13:17,599
probably hard metal machines from parts

3113
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:18,639
unknown

3114
02:13:24,870 --> 02:13:20,000
different types of what i would

3115
02:13:26,870 --> 02:13:24,880
categorize as valet phenomena uh the

3116
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:26,880
extraordinarily important theoretical

3117
02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:27,920
work of

3118
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:30,719
dr jacques valet as seeing

3119
02:13:36,950 --> 02:13:34,719
ufos as any number of things

3120
02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:36,960
and

3121
02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:37,840
the

3122
02:13:40,950 --> 02:13:39,290
creation of

3123
02:13:43,109 --> 02:13:40,960
[Music]

3124
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:43,119
super secret

3125
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:45,679
very well-funded working groups that are

3126
02:13:50,390 --> 02:13:48,320
all too human um i hope that you're

3127
02:13:52,550 --> 02:13:50,400
going to ask this particular series of

3128
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:52,560
questions to richard tomorrow night

3129
02:13:57,510 --> 02:13:54,880
because i will be fascinated to know

3130
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:57,520
what he has to say about these specifics

3131
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,400
that you're going over with me right now

3132
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:02,400
i think it's one more way that the gila

3133
02:14:07,430 --> 02:14:04,639
brand amendment is trying to cover

3134
02:14:08,629 --> 02:14:07,440
all the bases and acknowledge that you

3135
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:08,639
know they don't have their head

3136
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:11,199
completely in the clouds no pun intended

3137
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:13,280
that this is not just i want to believe

3138
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:15,679
in looking for flying saucers this is

3139
02:14:19,430 --> 02:14:18,239
looking at all of the possibilities as

3140
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:19,440
well as

3141
02:14:23,109 --> 02:14:20,960
bad actors

3142
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:23,119
people with a tremendous amount of money

3143
02:14:27,270 --> 02:14:25,440
and power and technology

3144
02:14:29,669 --> 02:14:27,280
who may be

3145
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:29,679
on their own out there

3146
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:34,550
technology that mimics the most

3147
02:14:41,030 --> 02:14:38,400
extraordinarily off-earth possibilities

3148
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:41,040
the last uh the last point which is

3149
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,920
probably the biggest as if the first

3150
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:45,840
four weren't which is

3151
02:14:51,990 --> 02:14:49,360
a report to congress the uap office will

3152
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:52,000
be required to provide unclassified

3153
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:54,560
annual reports to congress

3154
02:15:02,790 --> 02:14:59,360
and classified semi-annual briefings on

3155
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:02,800
intelligence analysis reported incidents

3156
02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:05,520
health related effects

3157
02:15:11,109 --> 02:15:08,480
which you know all too much about and

3158
02:15:15,189 --> 02:15:11,119
the role of foreign governments and

3159
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:17,270
strong

3160
02:15:20,149 --> 02:15:19,280
very um

3161
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:20,159
again

3162
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:22,480
the catch 22 in there

3163
02:15:27,510 --> 02:15:23,920
is

3164
02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:27,520
classified declassified

3165
02:15:31,589 --> 02:15:29,040
which can

3166
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:31,599
mean we'll show you anything and we'll

3167
02:15:34,470 --> 02:15:33,679
say

3168
02:15:36,310 --> 02:15:34,480
that

3169
02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:36,320
you are not eligible to see what we're

3170
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:38,960
showing this next agency office or group

3171
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,480
of individuals

3172
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:42,960
or possibly something in between

3173
02:15:46,950 --> 02:15:45,360
at the same time it's a full-scale

3174
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:46,960
acknowledgement

3175
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:48,159
to

3176
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:53,040
of ufo activity uh

3177
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:55,440
within nuclear sites and nuclear

3178
02:16:01,510 --> 02:15:58,320
weaponry going back to the roswell army

3179
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:01,520
airfield in the summer of 1947 and most

3180
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:04,320
recently discussed at the october 19th

3181
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:07,119
press conference uh organized by the

3182
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:09,119
great robert salas at the national press

3183
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,159
club

3184
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:12,719
just you know two months ago

3185
02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:14,880
yes and

3186
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:16,719
the health related effects is

3187
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:18,800
interesting and also

3188
02:16:25,189 --> 02:16:21,760
a semi so every six months

3189
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:25,199
a classified briefing uh

3190
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:31,430
that's not a bad schedule

3191
02:16:35,910 --> 02:16:34,399
the report in quotes that we got in june

3192
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:35,920
was put forward

3193
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:37,840
with no understanding

3194
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:40,240
that there would be a follow-up it was

3195
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:41,519
the report

3196
02:16:45,429 --> 02:16:43,920
and in fact

3197
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:45,439
this gives us some structure and

3198
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:46,479
strategy

3199
02:16:51,270 --> 02:16:48,800
to move forward

3200
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:51,280
twice a year at this point with

3201
02:16:55,030 --> 02:16:52,960
what we the people will be informed

3202
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,040
about with our elected officials will be

3203
02:17:00,309 --> 02:16:57,599
informed about and which are

3204
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:00,319
truly indian elected officials and key

3205
02:17:06,150 --> 02:17:03,439
people uh in the cabinet within the

3206
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:06,160
pentagon within the national security

3207
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:08,719
structure and certainly also uh within

3208
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:10,719
the military-industrial complex and key

3209
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:12,639
players around the world

3210
02:17:18,790 --> 02:17:16,399
now i'm just going to read this directly

3211
02:17:21,910 --> 02:17:18,800
this amendment is co-sponsored in the

3212
02:17:24,709 --> 02:17:21,920
senate by senators rubio uh republican

3213
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:24,719
florida graham republican south carolina

3214
02:17:31,589 --> 02:17:27,439
heinrich democrat out of new mexico and

3215
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:31,599
blunt republican out of montana

3216
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:34,399
so uh both sides of the aisle uh pushing

3217
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:37,359
this issue forward which again

3218
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:41,359
uh for me you can't get them to

3219
02:17:46,389 --> 02:17:45,120
uh to agree on school lunch funding

3220
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,399
exactly

3221
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:48,880
right this is remarkable

3222
02:17:52,870 --> 02:17:52,080
and in a way it's emblematic of what for

3223
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:52,880
me

3224
02:17:58,950 --> 02:17:57,439
important issue like most of my

3225
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:58,960
colleagues like

3226
02:18:03,110 --> 02:18:00,719
most folks who are listening like

3227
02:18:04,790 --> 02:18:03,120
anybody with half an imagination and any

3228
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:04,800
curiosity

3229
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:08,160
most of my life in this work

3230
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:11,679
the dominant thoughts have been

3231
02:18:17,589 --> 02:18:14,559
who are they where do they come from why

3232
02:18:19,830 --> 02:18:17,599
are they here how many of them are there

3233
02:18:22,469 --> 02:18:19,840
which ones mean us well which ones don't

3234
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:22,479
mean us well where do they manufacture

3235
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:24,960
this technology what about the ethereal

3236
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:28,399
aspects what about abductions what about

3237
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:30,719
back engineering

3238
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:33,280
all viable questions and ones that i

3239
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:36,719
think we all share but more and more

3240
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:40,559
i realize my primary value here

3241
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:41,920
in this work

3242
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:45,519
and my primary core day-to-day

3243
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:46,479
interest

3244
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:49,200
is the impact these questions and this

3245
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:52,719
subject have on you and me and our

3246
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:54,719
family and our friends our fellow

3247
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:57,120
countrymen and women and everybody else

3248
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:58,399
around the world

3249
02:19:01,830 --> 02:19:00,080
and that if we can

3250
02:19:02,629 --> 02:19:01,840
finally

3251
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:02,639
get

3252
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:04,319
organized around

3253
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:07,200
the idea and understanding that we're

3254
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:09,359
not only not alone in the universe but

3255
02:19:13,030 --> 02:19:10,800
that there's a myriad of other

3256
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:13,040
intelligences coming and going

3257
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:14,800
interacting with each other probably

3258
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:16,719
since time immemorial

3259
02:19:22,469 --> 02:19:19,280
it might just help us

3260
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:22,479
to see ourselves as human beings first

3261
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:23,359
and

3262
02:19:27,509 --> 02:19:24,639
second

3263
02:19:29,830 --> 02:19:27,519
whatever our national enthusiasm or

3264
02:19:33,270 --> 02:19:29,840
country of origin or the country that we

3265
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:33,280
love is uh our religion our socioec

3266
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:35,120
economic background the color of our

3267
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:37,760
skin whether we're men or women that we

3268
02:19:40,870 --> 02:19:39,599
can unite first around the fact that

3269
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:40,880
we're human

3270
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:42,639
and that we have a lot more in common

3271
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:47,200
than we have separating us and driven by

3272
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:48,640
climate change

3273
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:49,600
by

3274
02:19:54,550 --> 02:19:52,080
environmental shifts that we really

3275
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:54,560
should all be working together

3276
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:56,240
because what affects somebody on the

3277
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:58,800
other side of the world now actually has

3278
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:00,720
an impact on us

3279
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:04,640
isolationism is a charming notion and in

3280
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:06,560
certain regional ways it needs to

3281
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,880
continue to be deployed

3282
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:11,120
protection of borders as well

3283
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:14,479
but this subject is emblematic of how

3284
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,160
much more we have in common with each

3285
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:18,880
other then separates us and it doesn't

3286
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:20,479
get more important than that as we move

3287
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:24,000
forward in in in 2022

3288
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:28,880
uh we have a few things now uh aside

3289
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:33,840
from the ndaa and of course fiscal year

3290
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,960
22 in the budget this legislation uh the

3291
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:38,880
current stuff that was just signed off

3292
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:41,280
on yesterday by the oval office

3293
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,640
uh two two points so we have this

3294
02:20:49,830 --> 02:20:46,319
in 2022

3295
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:49,840
we have avilobe with the galileo project

3296
02:20:53,910 --> 02:20:52,960
and and that moving forward

3297
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:53,920
and

3298
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:57,040
the third point oh now i i lost my third

3299
02:21:01,990 --> 02:20:59,280
point i had a dramatic

3300
02:21:03,110 --> 02:21:02,000
i had a dramatic strike three

3301
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:03,120
and

3302
02:21:14,790 --> 02:21:12,389
see the the effects of of of the

3303
02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:14,800
pandemic are showing up

3304
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:15,680
um

3305
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:18,800
and it was it was so great it was it was

3306
02:21:22,230 --> 02:21:20,800
it was right there it was right there

3307
02:21:24,710 --> 02:21:22,240
and that's what i get for not taking

3308
02:21:26,630 --> 02:21:24,720
notes i i don't write things down

3309
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:26,640
but um uh

3310
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:30,319
going into uh uh 2022

3311
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:32,720
it's it's like everything is built in is

3312
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:35,600
my point right that these things

3313
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:38,160
we don't have uh

3314
02:21:41,349 --> 02:21:40,080
guesswork in front of us or question

3315
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,359
marks

3316
02:21:46,230 --> 02:21:43,439
excuse me things are laid out

3317
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:46,240
and are in front of us that have to play

3318
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:50,790
yeah and

3319
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:52,479
if there's a

3320
02:21:58,389 --> 02:21:55,600
positive aspect of this crazy period of

3321
02:22:00,870 --> 02:21:58,399
time that we're living through oh oh oh

3322
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,880
oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh i

3323
02:22:04,469 --> 02:22:02,880
just remembered the memory you triggered

3324
02:22:06,469 --> 02:22:04,479
the memory

3325
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:06,479
thank you for that

3326
02:22:11,670 --> 02:22:08,640
we have the james webb telescope that

3327
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:11,680
just launched uh yeah on december 25th

3328
02:22:17,349 --> 02:22:14,960
so in six months uh we're gonna see the

3329
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:17,359
first images coming back

3330
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:20,399
uh from the james webb telescope which

3331
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:23,680
is absolutely looking for one thing

3332
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:26,880
life on other planets

3333
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:29,200
yeah how about that

3334
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:36,070
i i think it's going to be a very

3335
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:38,240
interesting year and maybe the seminal

3336
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:39,200
year

3337
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:41,359
in terms of

3338
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:44,880
ufo studies and its impact on the world

3339
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:47,200
at large rather than on those people

3340
02:22:51,670 --> 02:22:49,359
that used to be called ufologists

3341
02:22:54,550 --> 02:22:51,680
or those who are followers of the

3342
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:54,560
subject this is going mainstream more

3343
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:57,359
and more every single day and that's not

3344
02:23:01,910 --> 02:22:59,200
going to stop next year it's only going

3345
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:01,920
to expand the question is is it going to

3346
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:05,280
expand continue to expand arithmetically

3347
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:07,439
or is it going to start to expand

3348
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:10,160
geometrically and therein lies the

3349
02:23:15,590 --> 02:23:13,040
difference in terms of a tipping point

3350
02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:15,600
in the world society you know what the

3351
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:18,319
tipping point would be

3352
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:22,240
if neil degrasse tyson flip-flops

3353
02:23:31,590 --> 02:23:29,349
that's the four horsemen trotting up the

3354
02:23:34,790 --> 02:23:31,600
street i mean that's the that's the end

3355
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:34,800
of times if neil degrasse tyson

3356
02:23:38,710 --> 02:23:36,720
does a flip-flop

3357
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:38,720
seth shostak in there and a few other

3358
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:41,120
people i can name and yes that will be

3359
02:23:43,990 --> 02:23:42,000
uh

3360
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:44,000
the end times will truly be upon us if

3361
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:45,920
that's the case well see

3362
02:23:51,429 --> 02:23:48,960
okay and and uh i want to get to helen

3363
02:23:52,230 --> 02:23:51,439
and so we're we're going to do that but

3364
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:52,240
uh

3365
02:23:56,870 --> 02:23:54,160
in the wording here

3366
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:56,880
uh uh we have two different things

3367
02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:57,840
happening

3368
02:24:03,670 --> 02:24:00,319
but one happened on both sides in the

3369
02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:03,680
ndaa and and fy22

3370
02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:04,720
which is

3371
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:06,800
gillibrand you say gillibrand i say

3372
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:09,840
gillibrand uh gillibrand mentions

3373
02:24:13,270 --> 02:24:11,359
health effects

3374
02:24:15,190 --> 02:24:13,280
that's a very

3375
02:24:20,309 --> 02:24:15,200
you know

3376
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:20,319
tic tac and and that type of approach to

3377
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:22,240
uaps is one thing

3378
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:23,359
but

3379
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:27,040
she is very specific about

3380
02:24:34,630 --> 02:24:30,479
individuals that may come in contact

3381
02:24:36,309 --> 02:24:34,640
uh with the uap and a ufo and have

3382
02:24:37,270 --> 02:24:36,319
detrimental health effects of course

3383
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:37,280
correct

3384
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:38,240
i think of

3385
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:40,800
john burroughs immediately with this and

3386
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:44,080
and his struggles with uh getting this

3387
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:46,880
through and john mccain getting uh you

3388
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:49,040
know running interference on that to

3389
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:51,600
help get that push through but this is

3390
02:24:58,710 --> 02:24:55,359
but that it is also in the ndaa they

3391
02:25:02,230 --> 02:24:58,720
point that out too as well so we have

3392
02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:02,240
that coming with both uh forms of uh

3393
02:25:07,270 --> 02:25:04,880
budget and legislation here but there's

3394
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:07,280
another point that i want to get to

3395
02:25:13,590 --> 02:25:11,040
which is she doesn't address it here

3396
02:25:15,270 --> 02:25:13,600
but it's in the ndaa

3397
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:15,280
which is

3398
02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:18,880
crashed retrievals and debris

3399
02:25:23,270 --> 02:25:22,080
yes and that information needs to be

3400
02:25:26,389 --> 02:25:23,280
shared

3401
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:26,399
when when that when that wording uh went

3402
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,240
into the ndaa i immediately think of and

3403
02:25:36,469 --> 02:25:32,880
i go back to like say rendlesham

3404
02:25:40,070 --> 02:25:36,479
or any other event where direct contact

3405
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:40,080
has been made and the possibility of a

3406
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:41,359
retrieval

3407
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:44,800
and the technology that is there and

3408
02:25:50,230 --> 02:25:47,760
who's got it and and why don't we know

3409
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:50,240
about it well now apparently it is

3410
02:25:55,510 --> 02:25:52,720
written into the budget

3411
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:55,520
that any crash retrievals right does

3412
02:25:58,870 --> 02:25:57,359
that tell you that they

3413
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:58,880
now

3414
02:26:02,950 --> 02:26:00,720
have heard about crash retrievals and

3415
02:26:04,790 --> 02:26:02,960
now they want it out in the open that

3416
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:04,800
some of these agencies have been keeping

3417
02:26:08,150 --> 02:26:07,040
this information to themselves

3418
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:08,160
oh yeah

3419
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:10,640
and this is something that i did not

3420
02:26:15,429 --> 02:26:12,080
anticipate

3421
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:15,439
that we'd be hearing about at this level

3422
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:22,790
for me the desire to withhold this

3423
02:26:29,030 --> 02:26:25,680
is so deeply ingrained into

3424
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:29,040
the birth of our national security state

3425
02:26:33,830 --> 02:26:31,359
uh and nobody's more of an authority on

3426
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:33,840
that than richard but what we're talking

3427
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:35,760
about here is that

3428
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:38,720
if you visualize how a pearl forms

3429
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:40,800
that piece of sand that gets into the

3430
02:26:45,830 --> 02:26:43,200
oyster that irritates it that the pearl

3431
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:45,840
starts to build up this calcification to

3432
02:26:51,270 --> 02:26:48,560
keep from being irritated our whole

3433
02:26:54,469 --> 02:26:51,280
national security state and our world of

3434
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:54,479
increasing national security states

3435
02:26:59,990 --> 02:26:58,080
begins in 1947 not with

3436
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:00,000
trying to

3437
02:27:04,710 --> 02:27:02,960
keep nuclear secrets secret

3438
02:27:08,790 --> 02:27:04,720
but with covering up

3439
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:08,800
the crash at roswell and similar events

3440
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:10,720
and so

3441
02:27:13,510 --> 02:27:12,000
the fact that

3442
02:27:15,429 --> 02:27:13,520
this is now being

3443
02:27:17,190 --> 02:27:15,439
acknowledged as a possibility a very

3444
02:27:21,510 --> 02:27:17,200
real possibility

3445
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:21,520
at this official level for me

3446
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:24,800
is a breath of fresh air and

3447
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:28,160
so needed because it's part of the game

3448
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:30,640
that's being played okay maybe we're not

3449
02:27:35,270 --> 02:27:33,439
alone in the universe but oh a crashed

3450
02:27:36,870 --> 02:27:35,280
you know ship from some other place

3451
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:36,880
that's ludicrous

3452
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:38,319
aliens

3453
02:27:43,030 --> 02:27:41,040
other intelligence is abducting people

3454
02:27:45,190 --> 02:27:43,040
and you know following family histories

3455
02:27:47,830 --> 02:27:45,200
that's absurd

3456
02:27:50,389 --> 02:27:47,840
hybrids that are part us part them come

3457
02:27:53,110 --> 02:27:50,399
on that's science fiction um

3458
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,120
missing pregnancies based on what's

3459
02:27:56,230 --> 02:27:55,439
going on in abduction and following

3460
02:27:58,630 --> 02:27:56,240
certain

3461
02:28:00,389 --> 02:27:58,640
this is just nonsense and you're insane

3462
02:28:02,870 --> 02:28:00,399
implants

3463
02:28:04,630 --> 02:28:02,880
if they can get the foot in the door

3464
02:28:08,389 --> 02:28:04,640
and get

3465
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:08,399
recovered technology um

3466
02:28:14,230 --> 02:28:10,319
pieces of of

3467
02:28:16,389 --> 02:28:14,240
crashed craft acknowledges real and then

3468
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:16,399
that first break where

3469
02:28:22,070 --> 02:28:18,399
not just an independent researcher

3470
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:22,080
working with a a curious piece of of

3471
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:23,600
metallurgy

3472
02:28:28,469 --> 02:28:26,080
and an analysis that may be inconclusive

3473
02:28:31,510 --> 02:28:28,479
but it's extremely interesting

3474
02:28:34,150 --> 02:28:31,520
and the history of that kind of aspect

3475
02:28:37,349 --> 02:28:34,160
of ufo studies if it just is

3476
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:37,359
acknowledged by the scientific community

3477
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:40,160
who will be working

3478
02:28:46,469 --> 02:28:43,840
in this new office to analyze these

3479
02:28:47,429 --> 02:28:46,479
things in a manner that's never

3480
02:28:49,110 --> 02:28:47,439
been

3481
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:49,120
so seriously

3482
02:28:53,429 --> 02:28:51,040
approached before

3483
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:53,439
next year could be the game changer

3484
02:28:57,190 --> 02:28:55,680
let's take our break right here uh we're

3485
02:28:58,870 --> 02:28:57,200
doing overtime peter doesn't have a

3486
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:58,880
choice he's staying right there we're

3487
02:29:03,270 --> 02:29:01,280
going to talk about his sister helen

3488
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:03,280
when we come back after this short break

3489
02:29:06,790 --> 02:29:05,760
i am your host jimmy church this is fade

3490
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:06,800
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3491
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:09,680
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3493
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:22,150
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3495
02:29:27,480 --> 02:29:42,150
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3496
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3497
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3498
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3499
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3500
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02:34:47,429 --> 02:34:45,670
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3593
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tv church tonight

3594
02:34:52,389 --> 02:34:49,200
peter robbins

3595
02:34:54,230 --> 02:34:52,399
the last time peter was on with us uh we

3596
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:54,240
talked a little bit about his sister

3597
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:55,200
helen

3598
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:56,000
and

3599
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:01,120
you're on we're going to do a segment on

3600
02:35:04,710 --> 02:35:02,720
on her and we're going to do that

3601
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:04,720
tonight and peter i don't know if you've

3602
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:09,040
there is uh uh i found this uh last year

3603
02:35:13,469 --> 02:35:11,520
there's an incredible video of helen at

3604
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:13,479
the ritz in

3605
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:15,200
1984

3606
02:35:19,990 --> 02:35:17,920
have you seen that video oh many times

3607
02:35:22,150 --> 02:35:20,000
um she mostly performed original

3608
02:35:25,030 --> 02:35:22,160
material this is a cover

3609
02:35:27,910 --> 02:35:25,040
of a classic rock and roll song

3610
02:35:29,590 --> 02:35:27,920
that we both thought when it came out in

3611
02:35:32,630 --> 02:35:29,600
the 60s

3612
02:35:35,830 --> 02:35:32,640
was hysterically funny it's the most

3613
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:35,840
obnoxious plea for love imaginable

3614
02:35:39,830 --> 02:35:38,240
i can mash potatoes i can do the twist

3615
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:39,840
tell me baby do you like it like this

3616
02:35:45,190 --> 02:35:42,240
tell me tell me tell me tell me yes it's

3617
02:35:48,950 --> 02:35:45,200
joyously obnoxious and she did

3618
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:48,960
a kick-ass cover of it not with her band

3619
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:51,840
but with the downtown horns and backup

3620
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:53,600
singers i forget what the night was

3621
02:35:57,830 --> 02:35:55,840
about that night she

3622
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:57,840
performed all the clubs in new york and

3623
02:36:02,469 --> 02:36:00,240
the greater new york area but

3624
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:02,479
this was a grand night and it was an

3625
02:36:07,510 --> 02:36:05,920
awful lot of fun we were all there and

3626
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:07,520
she knocked it out of the park as you

3627
02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:08,960
know why don't you

3628
02:36:12,790 --> 02:36:10,399
hit us with it

3629
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:12,800
it's uh i i don't know if i'll get hit

3630
02:36:17,429 --> 02:36:15,120
with the strike let's see hold on

3631
02:36:18,630 --> 02:36:17,439
let's see hold on let me uh let me pull

3632
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:18,640
this up

3633
02:36:42,309 --> 02:36:27,600
people

3634
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:45,290
shake them down

3635
02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:07,030
so

3636
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,030
she's amazing man

3637
02:37:15,910 --> 02:37:11,760
she's absolutely amazing and okay now

3638
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:17,910
did she ever punch you did you ever take

3639
02:37:21,990 --> 02:37:20,560
a punch from your sister

3640
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:22,000
no um

3641
02:37:27,190 --> 02:37:23,439
we used to play

3642
02:37:29,110 --> 02:37:27,200
uh and act um out for public a lot

3643
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:29,120
because we absolutely adored each other

3644
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:31,600
we were best friends we were roommates

3645
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:33,120
for about nine years through two

3646
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:34,319
apartments

3647
02:37:38,710 --> 02:37:37,520
and uh one house we edited each other's

3648
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:38,720
stuff

3649
02:37:43,429 --> 02:37:40,880
uh slept with each other's friends

3650
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:43,439
watched bad movies all night on weed

3651
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:45,520
and loved each other and had each

3652
02:37:48,870 --> 02:37:47,920
other's backs always but she never okay

3653
02:37:50,950 --> 02:37:48,880
okay

3654
02:37:53,190 --> 02:37:50,960
oh no you never taste she never just

3655
02:37:55,830 --> 02:37:53,200
went up

3656
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:55,840
no i i would but she she had the pose

3657
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:58,960
and again her stage name helen wheels

3658
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:01,280
which was given to her by handsome dick

3659
02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:03,920
manitoba lead singer of the dictators in

3660
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:05,920
1976

3661
02:38:09,510 --> 02:38:07,920
and it was always a helen wheels band

3662
02:38:12,070 --> 02:38:09,520
after that

3663
02:38:15,030 --> 02:38:12,080
her pose was very intimidating for

3664
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:15,040
somebody who was four foot eleven uh but

3665
02:38:20,790 --> 02:38:18,080
as she developed as a performer and her

3666
02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:20,800
acts were jaw-dropping um

3667
02:38:24,550 --> 02:38:22,800
she would jump out into the audience

3668
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:24,560
years before there was a mosh pit and

3669
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:26,560
suffered quite a number of stage-related

3670
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:29,840
injuries especially in shows at cbgb's

3671
02:38:35,270 --> 02:38:32,160
and so she began not just to take better

3672
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:35,280
care of herself and not just to work out

3673
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:37,920
but she became a nationally ranked

3674
02:38:42,550 --> 02:38:40,960
female bodybuilder yeah she was just in

3675
02:38:45,190 --> 02:38:42,560
shape yeah and

3676
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:45,200
molly was she ever yeah was she ever and

3677
02:38:50,070 --> 02:38:47,280
and and i just

3678
02:38:52,150 --> 02:38:50,080
she must have had a right hook though

3679
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:52,160
she had to have she had to

3680
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:54,479
um okay so

3681
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:55,680
tell us

3682
02:39:01,190 --> 02:38:59,280
happened

3683
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:01,200
i will but first i'm going to say that

3684
02:39:05,910 --> 02:39:04,000
um richard dolan again who you'll be

3685
02:39:09,510 --> 02:39:05,920
who will be your guest tomorrow

3686
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:12,389
oh you dropped every couple of months

3687
02:39:17,349 --> 02:39:14,479
uh okay

3688
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:17,359
you froze up okay so you said richard

3689
02:39:21,190 --> 02:39:18,479
dolan

3690
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:21,200
is not just oh and then pick up from

3691
02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:22,560
there right

3692
02:39:27,110 --> 02:39:24,720
not just a good friend but a very close

3693
02:39:29,429 --> 02:39:27,120
colleague and helen died about a year or

3694
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:29,439
so before we became friends about 20

3695
02:39:33,110 --> 02:39:30,560
years ago

3696
02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:33,120
and he was fascinated by

3697
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:35,600
her abduction experience and kept

3698
02:39:39,349 --> 02:39:36,720
putting it off there are always other

3699
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:39,359
things to do but he said i really want

3700
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:41,840
to do an in-depth interview with you on

3701
02:39:46,950 --> 02:39:45,359
that and so in february

3702
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:46,960
something we do several times a year

3703
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:48,720
which is he comes over moves in for a

3704
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:50,640
couple of days we eat drink

3705
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:54,160
argue discuss watch movies and um have a

3706
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:55,359
grand time

3707
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:57,680
he did an extended multiple hour

3708
02:40:02,630 --> 02:40:00,160
interview with me on helen

3709
02:40:04,550 --> 02:40:02,640
and then edited it down and then i

3710
02:40:07,030 --> 02:40:04,560
turned him loose in the family photo

3711
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:07,040
archive and in helen's musical archive

3712
02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:09,600
and he illustrated it well as only

3713
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:11,040
richard can do

3714
02:40:15,750 --> 02:40:13,439
and if you go to the richard dolan

3715
02:40:16,790 --> 02:40:15,760
channel uh the richard dolan show on

3716
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:16,800
youtube

3717
02:40:21,030 --> 02:40:18,720
and you type in i forget exactly what it

3718
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:21,040
is but it's um helen wheels ufo

3719
02:40:24,710 --> 02:40:22,880
abduction or something like that you'll

3720
02:40:26,469 --> 02:40:24,720
get it in a couple of hits

3721
02:40:29,110 --> 02:40:26,479
i think almost 60 000 people have

3722
02:40:30,469 --> 02:40:29,120
watched it already and

3723
02:40:32,070 --> 02:40:30,479
it's much

3724
02:40:35,510 --> 02:40:32,080
i would rather have spent this couple of

3725
02:40:36,870 --> 02:40:35,520
minutes directing people toward that and

3726
02:40:39,190 --> 02:40:36,880
you can even ask richard about it

3727
02:40:41,910 --> 02:40:39,200
tomorrow because he still feels it's one

3728
02:40:43,349 --> 02:40:41,920
of the most important and earliest

3729
02:40:46,150 --> 02:40:43,359
documented

3730
02:40:49,030 --> 02:40:46,160
abduction cases coming possibly several

3731
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:49,040
months before the betty and barney hill

3732
02:40:52,950 --> 02:40:51,439
case we were quite young at the time

3733
02:40:55,510 --> 02:40:52,960
and um

3734
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:55,520
we had a sighting and

3735
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:56,960
she was taken

3736
02:41:02,389 --> 02:40:58,399
and

3737
02:41:04,790 --> 02:41:02,399
my memory of it was so shattered i it it

3738
02:41:07,830 --> 02:41:04,800
overwhelmed me to such a degree

3739
02:41:10,950 --> 02:41:07,840
that i repressed it and that memory with

3740
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:10,960
the exception of one momentary afternoon

3741
02:41:15,590 --> 02:41:12,640
in my life

3742
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:15,600
stayed repressed for over 14 years

3743
02:41:19,110 --> 02:41:17,680
although i do joke with people sometimes

3744
02:41:20,790 --> 02:41:19,120
to say if i have other repressed

3745
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:20,800
memories from childhood i don't remember

3746
02:41:23,510 --> 02:41:21,600
them

3747
02:41:25,110 --> 02:41:23,520
but when it came back to me it came back

3748
02:41:25,990 --> 02:41:25,120
with a vengeance

3749
02:41:30,309 --> 02:41:26,000
and

3750
02:41:31,670 --> 02:41:30,319
it derailed my career ultimately that

3751
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:31,680
was the only thing that was really

3752
02:41:36,070 --> 02:41:33,840
important to me at that time and had

3753
02:41:38,309 --> 02:41:36,080
been for many years since i was a kid

3754
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:38,319
which was to be a painter a new york

3755
02:41:42,070 --> 02:41:40,080
city based

3756
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:42,080
very successful artist

3757
02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:44,399
and i became obsessed with this subject

3758
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:45,760
not overnight

3759
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:48,479
but in the course of moments when she

3760
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:50,800
started to tell me about memories that

3761
02:41:54,550 --> 02:41:52,800
she had never forgotten

3762
02:41:55,269 --> 02:41:54,560
simply hadn't shared

3763
02:41:58,710 --> 02:41:55,279
but

3764
02:42:01,990 --> 02:41:58,720
what we would now call archetypical

3765
02:42:04,309 --> 02:42:02,000
abduction related moments of being taken

3766
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:04,319
of being walked through a curved metal

3767
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:05,760
hallway

3768
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:08,399
by beings that we now call grays but

3769
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:11,040
that had not that name still to come for

3770
02:42:16,950 --> 02:42:14,319
years of a tall one who she felt was the

3771
02:42:21,190 --> 02:42:16,960
one communicating with her in her head

3772
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:21,200
the table that she was examined on um

3773
02:42:28,870 --> 02:42:23,840
things that she heard in her head as a

3774
02:42:31,110 --> 02:42:28,880
12 year old and that now are so stock

3775
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:31,120
that are so basic

3776
02:42:35,670 --> 02:42:32,960
to

3777
02:42:37,670 --> 02:42:35,680
hundreds if not thousands of fully

3778
02:42:41,110 --> 02:42:37,680
reported and looked at

3779
02:42:42,710 --> 02:42:41,120
and research abduction experiences

3780
02:42:44,870 --> 02:42:42,720
that um

3781
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:44,880
again when she told me this

3782
02:42:49,349 --> 02:42:47,040
i didn't know

3783
02:42:50,950 --> 02:42:49,359
there was such a thing as ufology i

3784
02:42:52,550 --> 02:42:50,960
didn't know there were ufo conferences

3785
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:52,560
now why did you know anybody was

3786
02:42:56,150 --> 02:42:53,600
interested

3787
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:56,160
and it changed both of our lives yeah

3788
02:43:01,590 --> 02:43:00,560
what year what year did this uh occur

3789
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:01,600
um

3790
02:43:05,790 --> 02:43:04,160
the memory returning no or

3791
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:05,800
the event

3792
02:43:11,910 --> 02:43:08,720
1961 1961

3793
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:11,920
and the two of you were together

3794
02:43:15,030 --> 02:43:12,800
yes

3795
02:43:17,190 --> 02:43:15,040
we were goofing around on the front lawn

3796
02:43:19,910 --> 02:43:17,200
of the house that our parents had moved

3797
02:43:22,469 --> 02:43:19,920
us into from new york city in a lovely

3798
02:43:24,870 --> 02:43:22,479
village about 30 miles east of the city

3799
02:43:27,349 --> 02:43:24,880
goofing around on a late spring or an

3800
02:43:29,830 --> 02:43:27,359
early summer morning as kids do

3801
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:29,840
on a completely quiet

3802
02:43:35,590 --> 02:43:32,479
suburban street where nothing was

3803
02:43:36,950 --> 02:43:35,600
happening nothing was going on and

3804
02:43:39,030 --> 02:43:36,960
i caught

3805
02:43:39,990 --> 02:43:39,040
the movement first right peripheral

3806
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:40,000
vision

3807
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:42,080
of five silvery white disc shaped

3808
02:43:44,870 --> 02:43:43,760
objects coming in at a high rate of

3809
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:44,880
speed

3810
02:43:50,710 --> 02:43:48,080
obviously metallic and in a very precise

3811
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:50,720
v as in victor formation

3812
02:43:54,710 --> 02:43:52,960
and stopping over the parker's house the

3813
02:43:57,910 --> 02:43:54,720
house across the street

3814
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:57,920
and we looked and looked and looked

3815
02:44:01,910 --> 02:43:59,520
and

3816
02:44:03,750 --> 02:44:01,920
you've had plenty of experience hearing

3817
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:03,760
people describe their

3818
02:44:08,230 --> 02:44:06,720
experiences and i know

3819
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:08,240
some people have said to me over the

3820
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:10,240
decades wait a minute you're saying a

3821
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:13,200
sighting changed your life well yes it's

3822
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:16,080
nothing it's a cupcake compared to

3823
02:44:20,230 --> 02:44:18,640
something that travis walton or deb

3824
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:20,240
jordan campbell or

3825
02:44:23,990 --> 02:44:22,160
you know several hundred people whose

3826
02:44:25,349 --> 02:44:24,000
names you don't know that i have met and

3827
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:25,359
spent time with

3828
02:44:29,190 --> 02:44:27,840
have had these experiences but for me it

3829
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:29,200
was shattering

3830
02:44:33,750 --> 02:44:31,359
it was another time it was much simpler

3831
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:33,760
i was such an unsophisticated kid as was

3832
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:34,880
helen

3833
02:44:38,389 --> 02:44:37,439
and the subject had no interest for me

3834
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:38,399
except

3835
02:44:42,469 --> 02:44:40,720
in terms of these science fiction movies

3836
02:44:44,389 --> 02:44:42,479
that i enjoyed very much

3837
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:44,399
at the fantasy theater on saturdays

3838
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:46,800
sometimes are on tv

3839
02:44:51,349 --> 02:44:48,800
but i went through a reaction and helen

3840
02:44:53,990 --> 02:44:51,359
did too when we talked about it

3841
02:44:55,750 --> 02:44:54,000
that i've chronicled with many many many

3842
02:44:57,830 --> 02:44:55,760
people over the years

3843
02:44:59,349 --> 02:44:57,840
which i call the checklist reaction and

3844
02:45:01,269 --> 02:44:59,359
it's simply you're minding your own

3845
02:45:03,910 --> 02:45:01,279
business living your life and you look

3846
02:45:05,990 --> 02:45:03,920
up and you see a thing or things and

3847
02:45:07,670 --> 02:45:06,000
your rational mind

3848
02:45:10,469 --> 02:45:07,680
goes through the checklist of everything

3849
02:45:13,190 --> 02:45:10,479
that they are not planes helicopters

3850
02:45:15,830 --> 02:45:13,200
kites blimps balloons

3851
02:45:17,349 --> 02:45:15,840
flotsam and jetsam strange shape clouds

3852
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,359
birds

3853
02:45:22,870 --> 02:45:19,920
reflections from the ground

3854
02:45:24,790 --> 02:45:22,880
strain-shaped clouds and then you kind

3855
02:45:27,349 --> 02:45:24,800
of hit the wall

3856
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:27,359
and in that moment

3857
02:45:30,150 --> 02:45:28,960
straining

3858
02:45:32,070 --> 02:45:30,160
to

3859
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:32,080
have them be something

3860
02:45:34,790 --> 02:45:33,760
that i could accept

3861
02:45:36,389 --> 02:45:34,800
as

3862
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:36,399
hours

3863
02:45:41,349 --> 02:45:38,000
but no tails

3864
02:45:44,790 --> 02:45:41,359
no wings no propellers and jimmy close

3865
02:45:48,070 --> 02:45:44,800
enough to make out regular detailing off

3866
02:45:50,150 --> 02:45:48,080
color around the edge of each

3867
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:50,160
that was lighter

3868
02:45:54,469 --> 02:45:52,319
and it was metallic not like shiny

3869
02:45:56,870 --> 02:45:54,479
stainless steel but

3870
02:45:59,349 --> 02:45:56,880
subdued like brushed aluminum whatever

3871
02:46:00,950 --> 02:45:59,359
but we could see what years later we

3872
02:46:02,950 --> 02:46:00,960
could only agree

3873
02:46:05,190 --> 02:46:02,960
would be the equivalent of windows on a

3874
02:46:06,790 --> 02:46:05,200
commercial airplane

3875
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:06,800
and

3876
02:46:11,510 --> 02:46:10,240
at a certain point i had had it you'd

3877
02:46:13,990 --> 02:46:11,520
think

3878
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:14,000
this is the most incredible moment of

3879
02:46:17,110 --> 02:46:15,520
your life and it was

3880
02:46:19,750 --> 02:46:17,120
that nothing's going to take your eyes

3881
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:19,760
off these things why do you think she

3882
02:46:26,070 --> 02:46:23,200
remembered everything and and you buried

3883
02:46:26,950 --> 02:46:26,080
it well we had long talks about that

3884
02:46:29,670 --> 02:46:26,960
plus

3885
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:29,680
um i went into therapy over this

3886
02:46:35,830 --> 02:46:31,439
because i was having

3887
02:46:37,510 --> 02:46:35,840
so much trouble adjusting to what now

3888
02:46:39,670 --> 02:46:37,520
you know we've been talking about for

3889
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:39,680
two hours or so and you know millions of

3890
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:42,319
people take as a matter of course this

3891
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:45,840
was new to me um i remember sitting down

3892
02:46:50,630 --> 02:46:48,560
with uh a professor of mine and studying

3893
02:46:52,790 --> 02:46:50,640
with at new york university night school

3894
02:46:53,670 --> 02:46:52,800
very knowledgeable on the subject

3895
02:46:55,830 --> 02:46:53,680
and

3896
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:55,840
helen was still

3897
02:47:01,590 --> 02:46:58,560
at the edges of real childhood

3898
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:01,600
you know with possible imaginary friends

3899
02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:03,040
and

3900
02:47:09,110 --> 02:47:07,110
as young

3901
02:47:10,150 --> 02:47:09,120
and as untouched

3902
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:10,160
by

3903
02:47:15,110 --> 02:47:12,319
the hard edges of the world as a 12 year

3904
02:47:16,309 --> 02:47:15,120
old kid could be she was 12. how how old

3905
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:16,319
were you

3906
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:18,880
i was 14. you were 14.

3907
02:47:23,910 --> 02:47:21,359
my life was being run by

3908
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:23,920
raging hormones the fact that i was the

3909
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:26,160
nerdiest kid in nerdsville i was the

3910
02:47:31,190 --> 02:47:28,560
shortest kid in my class i wore thick

3911
02:47:35,110 --> 02:47:31,200
glasses i wasn't into sports i read

3912
02:47:37,750 --> 02:47:35,120
books i collected bugs and coins and

3913
02:47:39,269 --> 02:47:37,760
stamps i was a boy scout and before that

3914
02:47:40,710 --> 02:47:39,279
a cub scout

3915
02:47:42,309 --> 02:47:40,720
i was

3916
02:47:45,429 --> 02:47:42,319
when you go to the dictionary you look

3917
02:47:46,710 --> 02:47:45,439
up the word nerd there i am and all of a

3918
02:47:50,309 --> 02:47:46,720
sudden

3919
02:47:53,030 --> 02:47:50,319
i just was obsessed with this idea that

3920
02:47:55,670 --> 02:47:53,040
maybe someday i will have a girlfriend

3921
02:47:57,349 --> 02:47:55,680
and maybe someday if i'm really lucky i

3922
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:57,359
will have this thing and i'm only half

3923
02:48:01,670 --> 02:47:59,920
kidding jimmy called sex

3924
02:48:04,790 --> 02:48:01,680
and that's the most important thing in

3925
02:48:06,630 --> 02:48:04,800
my life living for that moment and i

3926
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:06,640
knew if i told one of my geeky friends

3927
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:09,600
in junior high school and a girl found

3928
02:48:13,190 --> 02:48:11,520
out about this

3929
02:48:14,790 --> 02:48:13,200
every girl would find out about it

3930
02:48:16,790 --> 02:48:14,800
they'd all laugh at me

3931
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:16,800
and i would die a virgin

3932
02:48:21,590 --> 02:48:18,800
i'm very pleased to report that was not

3933
02:48:22,710 --> 02:48:21,600
the case ultimately but

3934
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:22,720
i'm

3935
02:48:26,230 --> 02:48:24,960
i was so self-conscious about it and i

3936
02:48:29,429 --> 02:48:26,240
was so

3937
02:48:32,150 --> 02:48:29,439
threatened by what i did not understand

3938
02:48:35,510 --> 02:48:32,160
for me everything in the adult world was

3939
02:48:36,790 --> 02:48:35,520
now open to question for helen

3940
02:48:40,150 --> 02:48:36,800
it was

3941
02:48:41,830 --> 02:48:40,160
this is amazing i feel special

3942
02:48:44,150 --> 02:48:41,840
and when we talked about it again more

3943
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:44,160
than 14 years later that memory came

3944
02:48:46,710 --> 02:48:45,439
back

3945
02:48:49,030 --> 02:48:46,720
i could

3946
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:49,040
go into why i think it came back at that

3947
02:48:53,510 --> 02:48:50,960
moment the important thing i think is

3948
02:48:55,429 --> 02:48:53,520
that i was ready to deal with it

3949
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:55,439
but it overwhelming i remember just

3950
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:57,200
breaking down on the floor of my loft in

3951
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:59,279
east chinatown i've been going through

3952
02:49:03,190 --> 02:49:00,960
drawings

3953
02:49:05,349 --> 02:49:03,200
and thinking i was crazy for a while

3954
02:49:07,590 --> 02:49:05,359
because how could you forget

3955
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,600
something like that yeah you know people

3956
02:49:10,630 --> 02:49:09,680
can now uh

3957
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:10,640
how

3958
02:49:20,950 --> 02:49:18,389
with the abduction yeah tell me simple

3959
02:49:23,190 --> 02:49:20,960
we're looking and looking and looking

3960
02:49:24,230 --> 02:49:23,200
and at a certain point like i said i had

3961
02:49:26,870 --> 02:49:24,240
had it

3962
02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:26,880
and i turned on my heels to run into the

3963
02:49:30,389 --> 02:49:28,080
house

3964
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:30,399
very specifically to tell our mother who

3965
02:49:36,630 --> 02:49:33,120
at that moment was in the kitchen

3966
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:36,640
probably in the early stages of um you

3967
02:49:41,269 --> 02:49:38,800
know finishing reading the paper and

3968
02:49:42,870 --> 02:49:41,279
thinking about making lunch for us later

3969
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:42,880
and

3970
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:46,319
as i took off helen told me again years

3971
02:49:50,870 --> 02:49:48,720
later i remember you disappearing from

3972
02:49:52,389 --> 02:49:50,880
my peripheral vision i knew

3973
02:49:55,990 --> 02:49:52,399
instinctively you were running into the

3974
02:49:57,910 --> 02:49:56,000
house to tell mom and what i remembered

3975
02:50:01,510 --> 02:49:57,920
dovetailed with what she remembered in a

3976
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:01,520
way that really shattered me which was i

3977
02:50:06,389 --> 02:50:04,160
remember within two or three seconds i'm

3978
02:50:07,750 --> 02:50:06,399
almost at the front door and all of a

3979
02:50:09,190 --> 02:50:07,760
sudden i feel like i'm running through

3980
02:50:12,550 --> 02:50:09,200
molasses

3981
02:50:14,389 --> 02:50:12,560
everything has slowed down

3982
02:50:15,910 --> 02:50:14,399
and i'm so fascinated with what i'm

3983
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:15,920
feeling which is unlike anything i've

3984
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:18,800
ever felt before i literally

3985
02:50:22,630 --> 02:50:19,920
forget

3986
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:22,640
about them that's how

3987
02:50:27,429 --> 02:50:25,840
transposed i was by this new feeling and

3988
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:27,439
all of a sudden it was simply

3989
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:30,000
fascinating no anxiety at all

3990
02:50:35,110 --> 02:50:32,800
in reality as i can put it together now

3991
02:50:37,269 --> 02:50:35,120
i had lost all motor functioning and i

3992
02:50:39,190 --> 02:50:37,279
was now in a slow fall

3993
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:39,200
from the grass

3994
02:50:44,150 --> 02:50:41,359
onto the walkway leading right to the

3995
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:44,160
front door which was very close by

3996
02:50:49,030 --> 02:50:46,960
but i was completely charmed by the

3997
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:49,040
moment and you have heard accounts like

3998
02:50:52,870 --> 02:50:51,040
this where

3999
02:50:56,230 --> 02:50:52,880
you know my god there are ufos in the

4000
02:50:59,110 --> 02:50:56,240
sky and i'm just thinking what a lovely

4001
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:59,120
day this is and gosh how nice things are

4002
02:51:03,590 --> 02:51:01,200
and my my last three conscious thoughts

4003
02:51:05,670 --> 02:51:03,600
which i relived markedly

4004
02:51:08,630 --> 02:51:05,680
in regressive hypnosis when i was ready

4005
02:51:11,269 --> 02:51:08,640
for it once with bud hopkins the other

4006
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:11,279
with detective sergeant pete mazzola of

4007
02:51:16,389 --> 02:51:13,200
the new york city police department an

4008
02:51:19,750 --> 02:51:16,399
early mentor a great cop and a very fine

4009
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:19,760
ufo investigator who had been

4010
02:51:26,150 --> 02:51:22,240
undergone hypnotic regression training

4011
02:51:28,389 --> 02:51:26,160
for nypd for criminal investigation

4012
02:51:30,150 --> 02:51:28,399
but my last conscious thoughts before

4013
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:30,160
everything went blue for split second

4014
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:32,560
and black were

4015
02:51:36,070 --> 02:51:34,960
how lovely my mom's hydrangea bushes

4016
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:36,080
looked

4017
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:38,080
she was a great gardener and they were

4018
02:51:42,150 --> 02:51:39,680
pale blue flowers

4019
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:42,160
the next was i'm coming down toward the

4020
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:43,439
sidewalk

4021
02:51:49,910 --> 02:51:48,000
are building ant hills and i remember

4022
02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:49,920
you know communing with them for a

4023
02:51:54,230 --> 02:51:52,399
moment and then what a lovely day this

4024
02:51:55,990 --> 02:51:54,240
is in bang i'm out

4025
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:56,000
what happened to helen

4026
02:52:00,469 --> 02:51:59,040
well helen again knows i've just

4027
02:52:03,269 --> 02:52:00,479
disappeared

4028
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:03,279
and what she said was within

4029
02:52:08,790 --> 02:52:05,680
two or three seconds

4030
02:52:11,429 --> 02:52:08,800
she sees a light a blue light shoot out

4031
02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:11,439
of the bottom of one of these things

4032
02:52:16,309 --> 02:52:13,600
and she said to me i was a kid but i

4033
02:52:19,190 --> 02:52:16,319
wasn't stupid i know you can't see a

4034
02:52:22,469 --> 02:52:19,200
beam of light during the day

4035
02:52:23,590 --> 02:52:22,479
but i turned around to see you in a blue

4036
02:52:25,910 --> 02:52:23,600
light

4037
02:52:29,510 --> 02:52:25,920
and then you went down

4038
02:52:32,550 --> 02:52:29,520
and i went up and then described her

4039
02:52:34,710 --> 02:52:32,560
very clear memory of rising off the

4040
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:34,720
ground with her hair blowing it was

4041
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:36,800
quite long and for the first and last

4042
02:52:40,150 --> 02:52:37,600
time

4043
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:40,160
seeing the roof of our house

4044
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:42,800
and me getting smaller and looking up

4045
02:52:47,030 --> 02:52:45,120
and seeing them getting bigger

4046
02:52:49,670 --> 02:52:47,040
and then remembering being walked

4047
02:52:52,230 --> 02:52:49,680
through a hallway a curved metal hallway

4048
02:52:56,630 --> 02:52:52,240
by a number of small

4049
02:53:01,910 --> 02:52:59,830
imagine you meet jimmy and

4050
02:53:03,590 --> 02:53:01,920
you're in the late 20s you've got your

4051
02:53:05,269 --> 02:53:03,600
career thing going

4052
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:05,279
your sister is one of your dearest

4053
02:53:11,830 --> 02:53:07,920
friends you know she wouldn't lie to you

4054
02:53:13,590 --> 02:53:11,840
and out of you have this memory return

4055
02:53:16,230 --> 02:53:13,600
and that's shattering enough and she

4056
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:16,240
confirms the memory without your feeding

4057
02:53:19,269 --> 02:53:18,000
her anything i was very careful to set

4058
02:53:20,710 --> 02:53:19,279
the scene

4059
02:53:22,830 --> 02:53:20,720
rather than tell her what i remembered

4060
02:53:27,830 --> 02:53:22,840
and have her say yes or no

4061
02:53:30,630 --> 02:53:27,840
and then that feeling of split elation

4062
02:53:32,790 --> 02:53:30,640
anxiety it was real it was real and

4063
02:53:34,630 --> 02:53:32,800
figuring that was it and what an amazing

4064
02:53:36,230 --> 02:53:34,640
afternoon this has been and then she

4065
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:36,240
said but there's more

4066
02:53:39,990 --> 02:53:38,240
and then she went on to describe what

4067
02:53:42,070 --> 02:53:40,000
i'm describing to you

4068
02:53:44,070 --> 02:53:42,080
obviously one of my first questions was

4069
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:44,080
how come we never talked about this all

4070
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:45,600
these years

4071
02:53:51,030 --> 02:53:48,240
and her answer was do you remember

4072
02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:51,040
me coming up to you that afternoon

4073
02:53:54,150 --> 02:53:52,880
and saying do you want to talk about

4074
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:54,160
this

4075
02:53:58,710 --> 02:53:56,000
i said yeah and she said do you remember

4076
02:53:59,750 --> 02:53:58,720
what you said and i said yes

4077
02:54:01,590 --> 02:53:59,760
no

4078
02:54:03,750 --> 02:54:01,600
i didn't want to talk about it how long

4079
02:54:05,830 --> 02:54:03,760
was she on the craft we just have two

4080
02:54:07,269 --> 02:54:05,840
minutes left peter how long was she on

4081
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:07,279
the craft

4082
02:54:11,110 --> 02:54:08,960
i could have been half an hour i don't

4083
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:11,120
know how long i was out i do know that

4084
02:54:14,950 --> 02:54:13,120
when i finally got into the kitchen my

4085
02:54:17,750 --> 02:54:14,960
mom was making us lunch

4086
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:17,760
and i said to my mother quote unquote

4087
02:54:21,910 --> 02:54:20,080
mom helen and i just saw some things in

4088
02:54:24,389 --> 02:54:21,920
the sky that looked like flying saucers

4089
02:54:26,309 --> 02:54:24,399
from the movie end quote i remembered

4090
02:54:27,269 --> 02:54:26,319
from both hypnotic regressions clear as

4091
02:54:29,590 --> 02:54:27,279
a bell

4092
02:54:31,190 --> 02:54:29,600
my mother turned and looked at me

4093
02:54:33,269 --> 02:54:31,200
and didn't feel she had to say anything

4094
02:54:35,670 --> 02:54:33,279
which was actually a gift

4095
02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:35,680
no anxiety oh honey you just thought it

4096
02:54:38,469 --> 02:54:36,960
blah blah blah

4097
02:54:40,710 --> 02:54:38,479
she just looked at me and i remember

4098
02:54:41,830 --> 02:54:40,720
thinking this is the way adults look at

4099
02:54:43,990 --> 02:54:41,840
each other

4100
02:54:45,510 --> 02:54:44,000
but that connection with helen and i

4101
02:54:47,590 --> 02:54:45,520
that afternoon

4102
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:47,600
and her kind of nursing a dream of being

4103
02:54:51,750 --> 02:54:50,000
a performer her boyfriend at the time

4104
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:51,760
was a drummer for a band that went on to

4105
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:53,520
become the blue oyster cult not long

4106
02:54:56,710 --> 02:54:54,800
after

4107
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:56,720
he took some of her poetry put it to

4108
02:55:01,990 --> 02:54:59,040
music the album went gold then it went

4109
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:02,000
platinum and she started to perform

4110
02:55:07,110 --> 02:55:03,920
right at that moment

4111
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:07,120
when punk was moving into the music

4112
02:55:10,630 --> 02:55:07,920
scene

4113
02:55:14,150 --> 02:55:10,640
and opened over the next months

4114
02:55:16,070 --> 02:55:14,160
for debbie harry and blondie

4115
02:55:17,349 --> 02:55:16,080
the talking heads richard hell and the

4116
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:17,359
voidoids

4117
02:55:21,269 --> 02:55:18,399
iggy

4118
02:55:27,030 --> 02:55:23,750
the ramones a number of times the dead

4119
02:55:29,190 --> 02:55:27,040
boys and on and on and who knew

4120
02:55:31,950 --> 02:55:29,200
i went to all the shows of course and

4121
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:31,960
then pushing the file limits cbgs was

4122
02:55:37,670 --> 02:55:35,600
175 people but all of a sudden i was not

4123
02:55:40,870 --> 02:55:37,680
just in the world of ufo studies i was

4124
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:40,880
caught up in helen's world of punk

4125
02:55:44,150 --> 02:55:42,080
and

4126
02:55:46,230 --> 02:55:44,160
about that time we both got golden

4127
02:55:48,469 --> 02:55:46,240
platinum albums c for

4128
02:55:49,830 --> 02:55:48,479
uh lyric writing for the cult me for art

4129
02:55:51,910 --> 02:55:49,840
direction work

4130
02:55:55,510 --> 02:55:51,920
and our musical lives took off at the

4131
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:55,520
same time as our ufo lives did as well

4132
02:55:59,030 --> 02:55:56,960
the uh

4133
02:56:00,230 --> 02:55:59,040
the event uh

4134
02:56:01,110 --> 02:56:00,240
you know

4135
02:56:06,309 --> 02:56:01,120
you

4136
02:56:08,550 --> 02:56:06,319
affected by it one way and

4137
02:56:11,190 --> 02:56:08,560
she are you suggesting that it was a

4138
02:56:14,070 --> 02:56:11,200
positive experience for her

4139
02:56:16,630 --> 02:56:14,080
it would have been possibly if at that

4140
02:56:18,630 --> 02:56:16,640
moment she was on the table

4141
02:56:20,230 --> 02:56:18,640
and she heard in her head

4142
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:20,240
we've seen you before we'll see you

4143
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:22,080
again or you've seen us before you'll

4144
02:56:27,269 --> 02:56:24,560
see us again i'm not clear on that one

4145
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:27,279
uh you're special um

4146
02:56:33,190 --> 02:56:30,479
we love you we will not hurt you and she

4147
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:33,200
remembered very clearly hearing we will

4148
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:35,920
not hurt you in her head while she was

4149
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:38,560
experiencing genuine pain

4150
02:56:43,750 --> 02:56:40,560
for whatever they were doing down there

4151
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,760
so she was no fan of theirs and she was

4152
02:56:48,309 --> 02:56:46,160
very public about it we went on god

4153
02:56:50,630 --> 02:56:48,319
almighty we did the morton downey jr

4154
02:56:52,150 --> 02:56:50,640
show together we did the geraldo show

4155
02:56:54,550 --> 02:56:52,160
together

4156
02:56:56,630 --> 02:56:54,560
she was very outspoken in music business

4157
02:57:00,389 --> 02:56:56,640
interviews about it it was a source of

4158
02:57:02,710 --> 02:57:00,399
some of her lyrics album designs um and

4159
02:57:05,269 --> 02:57:02,720
she felt very proud to be an out

4160
02:57:06,870 --> 02:57:05,279
abductee early on

4161
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:06,880
it was a member of bud hopkins very

4162
02:57:10,630 --> 02:57:08,880
first abductee support group

4163
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:10,640
we could continue on about her but

4164
02:57:16,150 --> 02:57:12,160
that's the gist

4165
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:16,160
incredible story and uh

4166
02:57:21,110 --> 02:57:19,200
it it i always say this about her she

4167
02:57:24,630 --> 02:57:21,120
was so beautiful

4168
02:57:27,349 --> 02:57:24,640
and so talented you know she was just an

4169
02:57:28,309 --> 02:57:27,359
absolutely uh incredibly inspiring

4170
02:57:31,030 --> 02:57:28,319
person

4171
02:57:33,349 --> 02:57:31,040
and uh there you go peter

4172
02:57:35,830 --> 02:57:33,359
happy new year thank you for taking the

4173
02:57:38,070 --> 02:57:35,840
time tonight another great conversation

4174
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:38,080
and i look forward to uh our next

4175
02:57:43,590 --> 02:57:40,800
conversation uh as we resolve some of

4176
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:43,600
these things in 2022. thank you so much

4177
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:45,760
jimmy and very best wishes to you and

4178
02:57:50,950 --> 02:57:47,600
your family in this new year

4179
02:57:52,469 --> 02:57:50,960
have a great safe fun new year's eve

4180
02:57:55,269 --> 02:57:52,479
it's coming up in a couple of days thank

4181
02:57:58,630 --> 02:57:55,279
you so much peter have a great night

4182
02:58:01,990 --> 02:57:58,640
peter robbins and again i'm going to

4183
02:58:04,870 --> 02:58:02,000
post uh this video of helen at the ritz

4184
02:58:07,349 --> 02:58:04,880
so everybody can see and experience

4185
02:58:09,030 --> 02:58:07,359
helen wheels i'm here with jimmy church

4186
02:58:11,670 --> 02:58:09,040
another great show i want to thank peter

4187
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:11,680
robbins for coming in tonight

4188
02:58:15,349 --> 02:58:13,359
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4189
02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:15,359
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4190
02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:18,000
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4191
02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:20,880
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4192
02:58:25,990 --> 02:58:24,000
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4193
02:58:28,550 --> 02:58:26,000
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4194
02:58:31,030 --> 02:58:28,560
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4195
02:58:32,710 --> 02:58:31,040
this broadcast owned a copyrighted 2021

4196
02:58:35,030 --> 02:58:32,720
by fade to black and the game changer

4197
02:58:36,790 --> 02:58:35,040
network inc it cannot be re-broadcast

4198
02:58:38,469 --> 02:58:36,800
downloaded copied or used anywhere in

4199
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:38,479
the known universe without written

4200
02:58:41,830 --> 02:58:39,840
permission from fade to black of the

4201
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:41,840
game changer network i'm yours jimmy

4202
02:58:46,870 --> 02:58:43,680
church tomorrow night

4203
02:58:49,349 --> 02:58:46,880
richard bleep and dolan will be our last

4204
02:58:51,429 --> 02:58:49,359
guest for 2021.

4205
02:58:52,710 --> 02:58:51,439
until tomorrow night i want everybody to

4206
02:58:57,120 --> 02:58:52,720
be safe

4207
02:59:04,950 --> 02:58:57,130
it's time to fade to black

4208
02:59:04,960 --> 02:59:19,060
so

4209
02:59:19,070 --> 02:59:30,230
[Music]